Scorey & Rotochamp's Universe 2K5

[Scorey1974]

Here it is....the first release...ENJOY!

[alvarez16]

Are the salaries correct in this database?

[RotoChamp2]

EVERYONE, PLEASE NOTE:
There is a README.TXT file included within the ZIP file. Please refer to it with any questions you may have prior to posting here. It's not that we don't want to answer your questions, it's just that we don't want to answer them two, three, and four times.


Originally posted by alvarez16
Are the salaries correct in this database?

Since you're the first to ask :) For the most part. There are still some contract lengths and minor adjustments that need to be made, but there shouldn't be anything majorly different.

The one thing I will say is that the Yanks payroll is a bit inflated due to ARod's contract. Since part of ARod's salary is being paid by the Rangers in real life, the Yanks are paying him less. For sake of ease in the game, we've simply made the Yanks responsible for his entire contract. This will be similar for many monster contracts that have been traded, such as Mike Hampton, who has like 15 teams picking up a portion of his salary...ok, maybe three but you get the point.

[sfbennett1]

The Mariners seem to be missing the Mad Russian, Teddy KGB, and Les Murphey, affectionatly known as Worm.

... kidding of course, but why the Rounders references?

[swamilee]

Thank you both for the great universe.

I'm not going to argue that player x or player y should be better or worse, but I do have a question.

Cole Hamels is a starting pitcher, the Phillies #2 pitching prospect, was untouchable at the trade deadline, and you have him as a mediocre relief pitcher with an endurance of 27.

Just curious. thanks again!

Actually, I just noticed, it seems most or all prospects starter or reliever have an endurance of 27...any reason for that?

[sfbennett1]

I'll field that one ... they didn't rate pitching prospects yet ... ALL pitching prospects are the default 25-75-75-75 or whatever.

[Scorey1974]

Yes the reason for that is ....the pitching prospects are not rated yet...That will be coming soon in our next release...

[swamilee]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Yes the reason for that is ....the pitching prospects are not rated yet...That will be coming soon in our next release...

My bad, thanks again! I'm enjoying it already!!!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by sfbennett1
The Mariners seem to be missing the Mad Russian, Teddy KGB, and Les Murphey, affectionatly known as Worm.

... kidding of course, but why the Rounders references?
lol. SWEET, someone got the references!!! :D

The day I created those two players (one for RC1 and myself) was the day my bro (RC1) won a poker tourney which awarded him a seat at the Washington State Poker Tour Championship, which has a grand prize of $100K. And since Rounders is one of my favorite sports movies of all time, I thought it would be a fitting reference. Also, I think that Joey Knish is just about the coolest movie character name of all time.

Also, I created a player to represent Scorey. Did anybody figure out who the player is and what the name comes from?

[OhPhilly54]

looks good! I love it already! Can't wait for the pitchers!

Now...there is a player on the cubs, Frank Ricard, who is signed 62 years. I don't think that is legal. :)

[chisox55]

AWEASOME JOB....

ONE ? === and im not gnna ***** but come on, my boy, Shingo Takatsu, MR. ZERO himself, needs some slight tweaking.... lol

Thanks again guys

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by chisox55
AWEASOME JOB....

ONE ? === and im not gnna ***** but come on, my boy, Shingo Takatsu, MR. ZERO himself, needs some slight tweaking.... lol

Thanks again guys
Takatsu is considered a pitching prospect and has not been rated.

I'm gonna say it one more time. We have not rated any pitchers yet, that includes both prospects and existing pitchers.

[OhPhilly54]

Has anyone mentioned that pitching prospects are not rated yet? Just wondering...hehehe...:rolleyes:

[sfbennett1]

haha yeah I happened to see "Joey Knish" leading the league in hitting and had to see if it was a randomly generated name or not ... then i noticed Mike McDermott leading in ERA and knew something was up.

any other fake guys besides Frank the Tank and the poker guys?

[sfbennett1]

anybody else ever create Elgin Woodell for the Cubs? (or read the book Rookie, for that matter) ... the 13 year old hit .310 with 20 RBI as a rookie, played 27 years and was a 16-time MVP, leading Chicago to 6 WS Championships.

Lifetime .382 hitter with 998 homers.

As unreal as that sounds, if you read the book you'd believe it could happen.

I like to team him with fellow 13 year old Henry Roengardner (Rookie of the Year).

(Sorry to get off topic - the fake players led me to it)

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by sfbennett1
haha yeah I happened to see "Joey Knish" leading the league in hitting and had to see if it was a randomly generated name or not ... then i noticed Mike McDermott leading in ERA and knew something was up.

any other fake guys besides Frank the Tank and the poker guys?
Nah, just those three. One each for me, Scorey, and my bro (RC1 - who generated most of the NL projections we've used -and will be using- for the existing NL hitters and pitcher). I was wondering when someone was going to realize that was Frank the Tank :D well done!

[sfbennett1]

Did you guys do anything to the talent in the draft pool? I played one out with the Rangers and i have the 17th pick and 27 players remain with a scouting grade over 9.0 ... 3 who have a peak of 100 and 7 who are currently rated over 80 ... the first player selected was a first baseman rated 93/100 ... all of these guys are hitters, too.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by sfbennett1
Did you guys do anything to the talent in the draft pool? I played one out with the Rangers and i have the 17th pick and 27 players remain with a scouting grade over 9.0 ... 3 who have a peak of 100 and 7 who are currently rated over 80 ... the first player selected was a first baseman rated 93/100 ... all of these guys are hitters, too.
Good question. I don't know the answer to that, so I'll defer to Scorey on that one. In other words, I didn't modify it at all.

[sfbennett1]

Coulda just been a fluke ... they seem to be coming in more normal, now.

[Scorey1974]

No you would have to adjust your Rookies.ini file for that to affect your draft talent....unfortunately that aspect can't be saved into the universe file....BTW...how does everyone like the settings on the revenue and sal. demands?....We have them set at +50 for revenue and -30 for demands....Seems to give us a more realistic turnout on contracts and affects teams retaining their own FA's instead of them releasing them all and having alot of players forced into retirement (due to the 70 player limit per FA pool)

Hope you guys are enjoying this...More to come soon!

[alvarez16]

i was asking the question bout the salaries cuz im pretty sure that Guillermo Mota's contract doesnt expire at the end of 2004...

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by alvarez16
i was asking the question bout the salaries cuz im pretty sure that Guillermo Mota's contract doesnt expire at the end of 2004...

Go HERE (http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_08_24_dugoutdollars_archive.html) and you will see that Guillermo's contract does indeed run only through this season...:)

[alvarez16]

Well
i was watching a marlins game about a week ago and the announcers were talking about if the marlins didnt resign benitez then mota would be their closer next year

[Scorey1974]

That's cool...If you can find a site that shows his contract runs through more than this season let me know and we can change his contract...:)

[sam_mast]

hey, the roster looks great.

just a couple things after a quick skim of the rockies prospects:

jeff francis and ubaldo jiminez both have an endurance of 23 when in fact both of them are starters. Both of them should also have a much higher rating, especially francis who is one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by sam_mast
jeff francis and ubaldo jiminez both have an endurance of 23 when in fact both of them are starters. Both of them should also have a much higher rating, especially francis who is one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

NOTICE TO ALL READERS!!!!!:

The pitching prospects have NOT been rated YET...they will be completed in a couple of weeks or so...Thank you for your patience...

[sfbennett1]

from a pretty good source (rotochamps.com), especially on these rosters ...

Feb 11, 2004 - 8:15 pm
Dodgers signed RHP Guillermo Mota to a one-year, $1.475 million contract.

[Scorey1974]

For the sake of future questions about the FA pitchers I have compiled a list of ALL the pitchers and IF they have any affiliation with any MLB team...Due to roster limitations these AAA or below players are left off the team rosters in the game.


Pitchers Team
Almonte, Edwin Redsox
Asencio, Miguel Royals
Ashby, Andy FREE AGENT
Astacio, Pedro FREE AGENT
Bacsik, Mike FREE AGENT
Baldwin, James Tigers
Beck, Rod FREE AGENT
Benes, Alan Cardinals
Bierbrodt, Nick FREE AGENT
Borland, Toby Marlins
Coggin, Dave Phillies
Condrey, Clay Phillies
Creek, Doug Cardinals
Cressend, Jack Indians
Crudale, Mike Pirates
Cyr, Eric FREE AGENT
D'Amico, Jeff FREE AGENT
Dawley, Joey FREE AGENT
Douglass, Sean FREE AGENT
Ellis, Robert Phillies
Etherton, Seth Reds
Fikac, Jeremy Expos
Fiore, Tony Orioles
Glover, Gary Brewers
Jarvis, Kevin Pirates
Jimenez, Jose FREE AGENT
Lewis, Colby Rangers
Mann, Jim Pirates
Mears, Chris Tigers
Miadich, Bart Rangers
Moehler, Brian Braves
Moss, Damian Reds
Myers, Rodney Mets
Myette, Aaron Reds
Olsen, Kevin FREE AGENT
Oropesa, Eddie Padres
Osborne, Donovan FREE AGENT
Parker, Christian Expos
Paronto, Chad Cardinals
Phelps, Travis Brewers
Puffer, Brandon Redsox
Quevedo, Ruben FREE AGENT
Reith, Brian Reds
Reyes, Al Cardinals
Roberts, Grant FREE AGENT
Robertson, Jeriome Expos
Rodney, Fernando Tigers
Sadler, Carl Indians
Sanchez, Jesus Bluejays
Santiago, Jose Whitesox
Sedlacek, Shawn Cubs
Shiell, Jason FREE AGENT
Small, Aaron Marlins
Smith, Bud Phillies
Tallet, Brian Indians
Thomas, Brad Redsox
Thurman, Corey FREE AGENT
Tollberg, Brian Rockies
Traber, Billy Indians
Van Hekken, Andy Tigers
Villafuerte, Brandon FREE AGENT
Wasdin, John Rangers
Wendell, Turk FREE AGENT
White, Matt Royals
Whiteside, Matt Braves
Wilson, Kris Royals
Wunsch, Kelly Whitesox


If anyone has different info on any of these players feel free to post...This info was taken from minorleaguebaseball.com so it SHOULD be VERY accurate...

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by sfbennett1
from a pretty good source (rotochamps.com), especially on these rosters ...

Feb 11, 2004 - 8:15 pm
Dodgers signed RHP Guillermo Mota to a one-year, $1.475 million contract.

Very nice bennett....thanks for the confirmation!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by sfbennett1
from a pretty good source (rotochamps.com), especially on these rosters ...

Feb 11, 2004 - 8:15 pm
Dodgers signed RHP Guillermo Mota to a one-year, $1.475 million contract.
Just a note: Just because a player signs a 1 year contract doesn't mean they will be a FA at the end of the year. I believe Mota is FA eligible, but many players in the game have 1 year contracts and need to be adjusted due to their arbitration standings. In many cases, even on RotoChamps, you will see players signed a 1 year deal which simply buys out their arbitration for that one season. They may still be under arbitration the next season.

[XtremeSlim]

Pedro Astacio is in Boston's minor leagues finishing off his rehab to majors. He will be up in September.

[Scorey1974]

Thanks Xtreme...I knew he had signed a deal back a few weeks ago....but he didn't show up on any of the Bosox's minor league rosters....

[Bgsexy66]

great job guys, keep it up!!!!

[BubbaDrew]

I really like this roster, especially the fake Mcdermett guy. Im gonna enjoy running his career out... Hes got something like 215 wins for me at the age of 27. This is gonna be good :)

[pkonruff]

Great work on the rosters. I have one question though. Why didnt you put Jorge Piedra of the rockies in. He is the guy that got called up when they traded Larry Walker. Just curious, not complaing.

Thanks again for all your hard work

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
I really like this roster, especially the fake Mcdermett guy. Im gonna enjoy running his career out... Hes got something like 215 wins for me at the age of 27. This is gonna be good :)
Yeah that would be RotoChamp1. If you use Joey Knish (that's me) and turn up your Stealing Attempts, you should jack over 100 Bases.

Frank Ricard (Scorey) is more of a power hitter/speed combo, whereas Knish is a Speed guy with doubles power.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by pkonruff
Great work on the rosters. I have one question though. Why didnt you put Jorge Piedra of the rockies in. He is the guy that got called up when they traded Larry Walker. Just curious, not complaing.

Thanks again for all your hard work
I believe we identified him as someone to add in, but just ran out of time. At some point you have to stop making changes and put out a release. We'll likely add him in for the next release.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by pkonruff
Why didnt you put Jorge Piedra of the rockies in.

Yes he is one of the guys on my list to add in the future...along with a few others that have been called up recently.....they will probably be added in for the final "OFFICIAL" release...

[Scorey1974]

Here's a pic of Will Ferrell (Frank "The Tank" Ricard) of the Cubs

[Scorey1974]

Here's a pic of Matt Damon (Mike McDermott) of the Mariners

[Scorey1974]

Here's a pic of John Turturro (Joey Knish) of the Mariners

[Scorey1974]

To insert these photos:

Go To File Folder---Program Files/Sports Mogul/Baseball 2005/Photos/Portraits or Action folder. They are already sized to 160X200 and will appear in the game for you...:)

One more thing...you will have to go into the commish mode and edit the player names under where their photo will appear (the little name box) and rename the player exactly as the picture is labeled...

[seedpied]

The rosters are great keep up the good work.

[cheeze]

i think it might be a problem that almost all of the prospects become free agents at the same time, my entire starting lineup with the exception of one player is a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.

[XtremeSlim]

Originally posted by cheeze
i think it might be a problem that almost all of the prospects become free agents at the same time, my entire starting lineup with the exception of one player is a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.

That has been something for years. You have to deal with it.

[cshiel63]

Sean Douglass is with the Blue Jays - he took roy halliday's spot in the rotation for a couple starts.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cheeze
i think it might be a problem that almost all of the prospects become free agents at the same time, my entire starting lineup with the exception of one player is a free agent at the end of the 2009 season.
This isn't really a problem with your team or any team. Unless a team has revenue problems they generally will resign players before they become free agents. In general this is how I do things as well. If the asking price is too high in a FA year for a player, I trade them for cheaper talent and the computer ends up resigning that player.

[chisox55]

yea its not a huge problem, hopefully in a future game we will have arbitration included in the game

[XtremeSlim]

Scorey,

In the substitue file is there any possible chance you could put some of the deleted players back in the game? Ex. Jason Roach, Vic Darensbourg, Will Cunnane, etc...

EDIT: Also Grant Roberts is not a FA. He is a Mets pitcher. One of their actual good pitchers just this year on DL.

EDIT: Also another FA that was signed earlier this season is Mike Bacsik to TEX. He's been starting for Texas the past few weeks.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
Scorey,

In the substitue file is there any possible chance you could put some of the deleted players back in the game? Ex. Jason Roach, Vic Darensbourg, Will Cunnane, etc...

EDIT: Also Grant Roberts is not a FA. He is a Mets pitcher. One of their actual good pitchers just this year on DL.

Many pitchers were taken out of the game because of roster limitations. If guys got removed that are now on the 25 man roster we'll probably add them back in, but in most cases we had to make sacrifices.

[XtremeSlim]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Many pitchers were taken out of the game because of roster limitations. If guys got removed that are now on the 25 man roster we'll probably add them back in, but in most cases we had to make sacrifices.

Yes I know that but since he made a sub file I was just curious.

And he did state any FAs that are still in the game that should be on the team for us to tell.

Also, question on hitting prospect Victor Diaz. He is no longer a 2B. He was converted late late last year/this offseason to RF.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
EDIT: Also Grant Roberts is not a FA. He is a Mets pitcher. One of their actual good pitchers just this year on DL.

EDIT: Also another FA that was signed earlier this season is Mike Bacsik to TEX. He's been starting for Texas the past few weeks.
Roberts is on the 60 day DL with a frayed labrum, so he was put on FA to make room for healthy pitching prospects...again, this is due to roster limitations. If you'd like him back on the Mets, go ahead and make the change.

Bacsik was designated for assignment on the 15th and, generally speaking, isn't a very good pitcher....just happened to be another casualty

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
Yes I know that but since he made a sub file I was just curious.

And he did state any FAs that are still in the game that should be on the team for us to tell.

Also, question on hitting prospect Victor Diaz. He is no longer a 2B. He was converted late late last year/this offseason to RF.
Those first two sentences didn't make any sense, please clarify.

As for Diaz, I'm aware of his position change. He's also been tried at 1B, 2B, and 3B. We decided to just choose a position and go with it. If he lasts as an OF, we'll change him. For now he's a crappy defensive player with a good bat and it doesn't really matter where he plays. Play him at OF if you like, it shouldn't make much difference as he's not shown much defensive aptitude at any particular position.

[XtremeSlim]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Those first two sentences didn't make any sense, please clarify.

As for Diaz, I'm aware of his position change. He's also been tried at 1B, 2B, and 3B. We decided to just choose a position and go with it. If he lasts as an OF, we'll change him. For now he's a crappy defensive player with a good bat and it doesn't really matter where he plays. Play him at OF if you like, it shouldn't make much difference as he's not shown much defensive aptitude at any particular position.

Diaz was tried at 1B, 2B, and 3B with LA. Not the Mets. Also, there hasn't been anyone complaining bout his defense this year.

Scorey made a substitute universe file so I was curious if the deleted players could come back just for that.

The reason I mentioned Grant Roberts and Bacsik:

"For the sake of future questions about the FA pitchers I have compiled a list of ALL the pitchers and IF they have any affiliation with any MLB team...Due to roster limitations these AAA or below players are left off the team rosters in the game.If anyone has different info on any of these players feel free to post...This info was taken from minorleaguebaseball.com so it SHOULD be VERY accurate..."

Scorey said that.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
Diaz was tried at 1B, 2B, and 3B with LA. Not the Mets. Also, there hasn't been anyone complaining bout his defense this year.

Scorey made a substitute universe file so I was curious if the deleted players could come back just for that.

The reason I mentioned Grant Roberts and Bacsik:

"For the sake of future questions about the FA pitchers I have compiled a list of ALL the pitchers and IF they have any affiliation with any MLB team...Due to roster limitations these AAA or below players are left off the team rosters in the game.If anyone has different info on any of these players feel free to post...This info was taken from minorleaguebaseball.com so it SHOULD be VERY accurate..."

Scorey said that.
That's a fair point, so I should probably clarify what he was saying. That list he posted was the list of FA pitchers with their accompanying teams. In some cases we deleted players that are still in a team's farm system or are out injured for a long time. That list is simply the group that make up the 70 (or so) pitchers on the FA list in our universe.

As for a "sub file" I didn't see anything mentioned about that. We're still working on the "Official Release" which will contain roster updates as well as the pitching projections. Is that the universe you're referring to?

[XtremeSlim]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
That's a fair point, so I should probably clarify what he was saying. That list he posted was the list of FA pitchers with their accompanying teams. In some cases we deleted players that are still in a team's farm system or are out injured for a long time. That list is simply the group that make up the 70 (or so) pitchers on the FA list in our universe.

As for a "sub file" I didn't see anything mentioned about that. We're still working on the "Official Release" which will contain roster updates as well as the pitching projections. Is that the universe you're referring to?

Looking in this forum. Scorey released a substitue file in which he deleted all the nonrated pitchers and such.

[goyanks225]

Are you guys going to edit the players that end up as 100's and INCREDIBLE after 1 year to make them back to real life? One example is that SS from the Cubs...though I think Scorey may have had something to do with that ;) lol

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Are you guys going to edit the players that end up as 100's and INCREDIBLE after 1 year to make them back to real life? One example is that SS from the Cubs...though I think Scorey may have had something to do with that ;) lol
There are three made-up players in the game (that SS being one of them). We slipped in a few of us. If you guys don't want them in, you can delete them. But we plan on leaving em in unless we need to free up room. Those should be the only guys that reach 100 incorrectly, though some guys may just develop a lot faster than intended, due to the game's engine.

[minotaur847]

guys, fantasic universe and well worth the wait.

My only concern is the pitchers, it's impossible to draft better pitchers because the draft.ini fills the draft pool with people around the average pitcher, since most of the new guys are unrated the talent pool is not so good and never gets good. I am certain the final release will be better yet.

But as far as the rosters and the salary demands and sim quality. It's excellent. Keep up the great work.

[minotaur847]

don't get rid of the 3 super stars. I like them. I am proud to say the Pirates in my file were able to aquire all 3.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by minotaur847
guys, fantasic universe and well worth the wait.

My only concern is the pitchers, it's impossible to draft better pitchers because the draft.ini fills the draft pool with people around the average pitcher, since most of the new guys are unrated the talent pool is not so good and never gets good. I am certain the final release will be better yet.

But as far as the rosters and the salary demands and sim quality. It's excellent. Keep up the great work.
Yeah, we realize this about the pitchers. Currently there are a few things out of balance due to the hitter ratings. Once we get the pitchers done it should be all good though.

[XtremeSlim]

I am pretty sure Kazuo Matsui for the NY Mets does not make $300 K. He was signed and I believe he is getting paid a pretty penny.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
I am pretty sure Kazuo Matsui for the NY Mets does not make $300 K. He was signed and I believe he is getting paid a pretty penny.
Yeah, I got that fixed for the next update. Thanks

[mooseman74]

Hey guys....any rough idea when you'll have the pitcher's done? No rush...the first release is awesome....just curious. :)

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by mooseman74
Hey guys....any rough idea when you'll have the pitcher's done? No rush...the first release is awesome....just curious. :)
I'm working on it. Scorey got all of the defensive stats done for them, now I'm just trying to work my way through the more tedious part, which is all of the pitching ratings. Nice thing is that I have a system worked out and things should move smoothly. I'm hoping sometime around Labor Day, but that's not for sure yet. Gotta see how it goes.

[jamesfinch]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I am from the UK. Could you tell me when "Labour day" is? (That is our spelling of labour, and I'll leave it like that :D )

[BubbaDrew]

I dont know if you guys did it(i think you did), but the salary demands have decreased to my liking, now no one asks for like(One time in Mogul i had Lastings Milledge ask for 35+ Mil for 1 year!)... And that is redicoulus! But its all better now. Thanks alot!

Only thing you could fix is the Draft, i agree with that guy earlier, not enough pitchers for whatever reason, but you guys are awesome, thanks alot for this great file.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by jamesfinch
Sorry for my ignorance, but I am from the UK. Could you tell me when "Labour day" is? (That is our spelling of labour, and I'll leave it like that :D )

I BELIEVE it's either the 4th or 5th of September

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by jamesfinch
Sorry for my ignorance, but I am from the UK. Could you tell me when "Labour day" is? (That is our spelling of labour, and I'll leave it like that :D )
The actual holiday is on Monday, Sept. 6th. That's just a time frame though. I'm just hoping it's out sometime around then. I'll likely be out of town that weekend, so it may be the 7th or it may be before the holiday weekend.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
I dont know if you guys did it(i think you did), but the salary demands have decreased to my liking, now no one asks for like(One time in Mogul i had Lastings Milledge ask for 35+ Mil for 1 year!)... And that is redicoulus! But its all better now. Thanks alot!

Only thing you could fix is the Draft, i agree with that guy earlier, not enough pitchers for whatever reason, but you guys are awesome, thanks alot for this great file.
We did adjust contract demands and revenue to be more appropriate.

As far as the draft goes, that should balance out once we get pitchers rated. Right now there are some residual effects from having all of these rated hitters and then a ton of terribly rated pitchers.

[goyanks225]

For the draft, I think I may have figured out how to balance out pitchers with hitters. In the rookies.ini file, change pitchers to 100 and everyone else to 85. It seems to be balanced now.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by goyanks225
For the draft, I think I may have figured out how to balance out pitchers with hitters. In the rookies.ini file, change pitchers to 100 and everyone else to 85. It seems to be balanced now.
Thanks for the info Yanks. I'm making some good progress on the pitchers so far and hopefully we'll get something to you all soon which will balance out the draft and free agency.

[BubbaDrew]

On ur next update, could you updated Derek Lee Some? Hes hitting low .300's and high .290's(it goes back and forth), and has high 20 something HR(i think 27)... I think he deserves better ratings.

I hope not to get the, well we did it based on his career speach, because his career was in Pitchers park in Florida, and he will consistantly hit this way in Wrigley.

[Scorey1974]

We have him rated pretty highly in the universe file...How much better should he be...?....What results are you getting for him with your sims?....In a game I'm playing right now he is hitting (from year to year) anywhere from .275 to .300 with 30-35 HR's....which is pretty spot on for his abilities....Just need some more feedback from you....

[BubbaDrew]

Really? Ive got him hitting .250-.280 with 20-25 HR....

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
Really? Ive got him hitting .250-.280 with 20-25 HR....
Ok, I've said it before but I'll say it again. A player's performance may fluctuate year to year, sim to sim. I have no control over how the engine develops a player or how it sims the season. Lee's projected numbers are an accurate representation of what he should be doing. This is consistent with both Scorey's simulation and the many simulations we did prior to release.

One other note, I have absolutely no problem with people disputing ratings or projected stats, but please come to the table with why you think the numbers should be higher and AFTER you've looked at both Projected Stats and Peak Stats for the players. Overall and Peak Ratings are not representative of the performance a player will put up over time, even though it should be that way. I did projections based off the actual stats a player should expect to reach in a given growth curve and allowed the ratings to take care of themselves.

[mooseman74]

Are you able to actually edit Peak Ratings?? If so can you say? Everytime I edit a player his peak ratings section is not editable (is that a word?) haha.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by mooseman74
Are you able to actually edit Peak Ratings?? If so can you say? Everytime I edit a player his peak ratings section is not editable (is that a word?) haha.
Yes and no. You can edit Projected Peak Stats which changes the peak ratings. However, you can not change individual peak stats, such as just HR or just SB.

To edit peak stats you must first get your Projected Stats (for the upcomign season) entered the way you want them. Then go to the pulldown at the top of the Edit Player dialogue box and select Peak. All of the stats are greyed out, but you can use the +/- buttons to edit the peak stats. This will edit the stats based off the stats you enterred and proportionally. Meaning that by using the "+" button, it's not just going to increase his power or his AVG, it will improve everything. Does that make sense?

[mooseman74]

Yep...never actually thought of trying that! :) Thanks Roto.

[BubbaDrew]

I'm sorry, Lee's predicted stats are fine... My apologies.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
I'm sorry, Lee's predicted stats are fine... My apologies.

No need to apologize...If you have players that aren't performing like you "think they should"....We welcome the feedback...

NOTE:...Before you do complain about so and so's ratings....be sure to check the predicted and peak stats...then you'll know exactly where we have the player set at...Also if you notice certain players developing too fast or even too slowly...feel free to let us know...

[Chippy]

As a big-time Indians fan, it pains me to say this, but it seems that Travis Hafner does not just very good in most of my sims, but AMAZINGLY good, probably a fair bit better then he "should" be doing. I checked his predicted stats, and they look 100% fine. Even his peak stats don't look too far off from what they "should" be. Personally, I've found he puts up more realistic numbers with a peak age of 29-34 then the 32-34 that you set him up with.

And TERRIFIC job on the rosters, I love em ! Can't wait for the pitchers to get done!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Chippy
As a big-time Indians fan, it pains me to say this, but it seems that Travis Hafner does not just very good in most of my sims, but AMAZINGLY good, probably a fair bit better then he "should" be doing. I checked his predicted stats, and they look 100% fine. Even his peak stats don't look too far off from what they "should" be. Personally, I've found he puts up more realistic numbers with a peak age of 29-34 then the 32-34 that you set him up with.

And TERRIFIC job on the rosters, I love em ! Can't wait for the pitchers to get done!
Hmm, if he got moved to a peak age of 32-34, something's wrong. That wasn't the age I set for him, I set him at 27-34. Do you have the newest patch from the site? There previously was an error where the game would randomize the Peak Ages everytime you started a new game.

Also, can you give me an idea of what kind of numbers he's putting up? Maybe his last two years stats for AVG, HR, RBI, OBP, and SLG? Thanks

[cheeze]

Don't you think its a little unfair to assume Jason giambi, from this day forward is never going to approach his career averages again? And a 55 health is a little unfair as well, this is the first year he's ever missed to much time with an injury. I would doubt that the intestinal parasite and tumer thing is going to become a chronic thing. His knees aren't going to stop him from playing first base with rest time at DH either. You would have to assume that his poor numbers this year are a result of weakness from the parasite and tumer. I would be very surprised if he doesn't hit between 275 and 300 next year with 30-40 homeruns.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cheeze
Don't you think its a little unfair to assume Jason giambi, from this day forward is never going to approach his career averages again? And a 55 health is a little unfair as well, this is the first year he's ever missed to much time with an injury. I would doubt that the intestinal parasite and tumer thing is going to become a chronic thing. His knees aren't going to stop him from playing first base with rest time at DH either. You would have to assume that his poor numbers this year are a result of weakness from the parasite and tumer. I would be very surprised if he doesn't hit between 275 and 300 next year with 30-40 homeruns.
I would agree if it wasn't just this year. But he's been showing a downward trend in performance for a couple years now. Which is reason enough for me to not consider his poor performance is solely related to the bug. And I didn't project him out as poorly as this season would suggest. I actually have him projected at .262 with 29HR, which is pretty darned close to your statement. Also keep in mind that just b/c I have someone projected at those numbers, doesn't mean they won't exceed them in the game.

Also, as far as his health is concerned, he was rated low due to his knees, not so much b/c of the intestinal thing. And I agree that his knees won't keep him from playing 1B, but I don't think he'll actually be there. Knee injuries to the degree that he has don't simply heal themselves or go away, especially with a man that size putting that weight on them. Take into consideration the fact that he's ~33 years old and you have to figure the knees are going to be a problem for the rest of his career.

[cheeze]

I understand whatt your saying and it may just be a fluke but when i play out a span of time and follow his career he pretty much hit about 230 with 15 homeruns then waste away in the minors for the rest of his contract span and retires. I have the latest patches and everything, ill see what happens with simulation mode on, anyway thanks for the work you put into these.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cheeze
I understand whatt your saying and it may just be a fluke but when i play out a span of time and follow his career he pretty much hit about 230 with 15 homeruns then waste away in the minors for the rest of his contract span and retires. I have the latest patches and everything, ill see what happens with simulation mode on, anyway thanks for the work you put into these.
Gotcha. Well perhaps I need to adjust his peak age so that he at least keeps up the performance I listed for a bit longer. I'll take a look at it after I've finished up the pitchers.

[liveandletdie]

The only complaint I have is that there is so many players by 2006 that become super players! 20+ players that are reaching 98+ marks! other then this guys, i love the rosters

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by liveandletdie
The only complaint I have is that there is so many players by 2006 that become super players! 20+ players that are reaching 98+ marks! other then this guys, i love the rosters
And to be honest, that doesn't matter. The ratings don't mean a whole lot about how a player's going to perform. Keep an eye on the stats that guy's are putting up and let us know if guys are having assinine numbers...like if tons of guys put .350 AVG, 40+ HR, etc. Also, be aware that some of it may balance out once Pitchers are rated properly.

[swamilee]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Hmm, if he got moved to a peak age of 32-34, something's wrong. That wasn't the age I set for him, I set him at 27-34. Do you have the newest patch from the site? There previously was an error where the game would randomize the Peak Ages everytime you started a new game.

Also, can you give me an idea of what kind of numbers he's putting up? Maybe his last two years stats for AVG, HR, RBI, OBP, and SLG? Thanks


You see what happens when you stop taking 'roids...

[Griffeykid03]

Originally posted by swamilee
You see what happens when you stop taking 'roids...

lol

[Scorey1974]

Travis Hafner taking 'roids?.....surely you are not talking about him???

[alvarez16]

Anyone know how good this Cuban Pitcher named Alay Solar is???? He was signed by the Mets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1869618

[BubbaDrew]

Corey Patterson has surged since August first... could he be updated? As a lead off hitter, hes been amazing, but his season average is up to .290, and likely will finish in the .300 's, and hes got 17 Hr i think. His SB's are up as well...

[ridge]

GREAT JOB ON THE ROSTER SET


HOW MANY ROOKIE PITCHERS ARE GOING TO BE RATED ON THE UPCOMING SET

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
Corey Patterson has surged since August first... could he be updated? As a lead off hitter, hes been amazing, but his season average is up to .290, and likely will finish in the .300 's, and hes got 17 Hr i think. His SB's are up as well...
Patterson has been hot indeed, but I wouldn't count on much updating to his numbers. Maybe a tweak here or there, but he's the ultimate talent tease. Streaky as **** with no plate discipline. His current high average is the result of an inflated H% and isn't likely to be there consistently. However, I've adjusted his SB and HR numbers a little. His peak numbers are consistent with where I (optimistically) think he'll end up.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
Corey Patterson has surged since August first... could he be updated? As a lead off hitter, hes been amazing, but his season average is up to .290, and likely will finish in the .300 's, and hes got 17 Hr i think. His SB's are up as well...

Coming from a fellow Cubs fan...I hate to say this...but Corey is never going to be a "superstar". I would say he "should" hit consistently in the .280 range with 20-25 HR's, 25 steals, but like RC said his plate discipline is horrible...I don't see him ending up being a career leadoff batter...unless by some miracle he figures out how to take a walk...:D

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by ridge
GREAT JOB ON THE ROSTER SET


HOW MANY ROOKIE PITCHERS ARE GOING TO BE RATED ON THE UPCOMING SET

Hey Ridge....there will be many rookie pitchers added to the next set...to see all of them just download the first release we put out and look at all the pitchers that have no year-by-year stats...That should answer your question. :)

[BubbaDrew]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Coming from a fellow Cubs fan...I hate to say this...but Corey is never going to be a "superstar". I would say he "should" hit consistently in the .280 range with 20-25 HR's, 25 steals, but like RC said his plate discipline is horrible...I don't see him ending up being a career leadoff batter...unless by some miracle he figures out how to take a walk...:D

Well, I know, this means absolutely nothing, but it is an amazing coincidence. Look at This:

At an earlier point in this season, Corey Patterson had the EXACT Same amount of Hits, At Bats, Hr's, SB's, and i think 1-2 other stats as Lou Brock did in his career at that time. The Cubs traded Lou Brock, and by this time in the year, He was tearing it up as a leadoff hitter in STL, as is Corey Patterson as a leadoff hitter in chicago. His plate discipline is bad, true, but that isnt a good reason to stop him from *Possbly*, having a good career.

And another thing, Cubs recently signed Eric Patterson(Brother to Corey!), who is a Leadoff hitting Machine at 2nd Base. He hit in the .340's, with 9 HR, and upper 40's SB's in College last year. Anyway my fellow cub fan could add him? If youve heard about this, i sure your as excited as me and probably already have him in it :p.

[alvarez16]

Anyone know how good this Cuban Pitcher named Alay Solar is???? He was signed by the Mets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1869618

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
Well, I know, this means absolutely nothing, but it is an amazing coincidence. Look at This:

At an earlier point in this season, Corey Patterson had the EXACT Same amount of Hits, At Bats, Hr's, SB's, and i think 1-2 other stats as Lou Brock did in his career at that time. The Cubs traded Lou Brock, and by this time in the year, He was tearing it up as a leadoff hitter in STL, as is Corey Patterson as a leadoff hitter in chicago. His plate discipline is bad, true, but that isnt a good reason to stop him from *Possbly*, having a good career.

And another thing, Cubs recently signed Eric Patterson(Brother to Corey!), who is a Leadoff hitting Machine at 2nd Base. He hit in the .340's, with 9 HR, and upper 40's SB's in College last year. Anyway my fellow cub fan could add him? If youve heard about this, i sure your as excited as me and probably already have him in it :p.
Well you're right that it doesn't mean anything. Two different players, two different ERAs. But it's a neat coincidence :)

As for Eric Patterson, to be honest, .340 is nothing in college. Remember that many colleges play in smaller parks and nearly all college hitters use aluminum bats which pack much more punch. I'm not passing judgement on what he can or will do in pro ball, just wanted to note that. I don't think he'll be added in as of yet. He's not yet appeared in pro ball and we have no performance to rate him off of.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by alvarez16
Anyone know how good this Cuban Pitcher named Alay Solar is???? He was signed by the Mets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1869618

Well judging from the article you posted a link to, he was a very good pitcher for Cuba...That won't necesarrily translate into success in the USA though?....Jose Contreras was a dominate pitcher in Cuba also...and he's been pretty lackluster with the Yankees and now Sox...So to answer your question...No...I really don't know how good he is and probably wont have a clue untill he gets some experience in the Mets farm system.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by BubbaDrew
but that isnt a good reason to stop him from *Possbly*, having a good career.

That is true...Corey not only possibly will have a good career...it's a safe bet that he WILL have a very nice career....He's got awesome speed and range in CF and nice power for the position...But...He will not become the next Lou Brock...:)

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
Anyone know how good this Cuban Pitcher named Alay Solar is???? He was signed by the Mets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1869618
He reportedly throws mid-90's with some decent breaking pitches. Cuban numbers haven't translated to major league numbers with any consistency. I need to see some sort of performance before passing judgement.

[boomboom]

DO you guys think he will break the Hits record!

He is on fire right now...he is one of the only hitters that could break .400, of course not this year, but maybe next!!!!

[Scorey1974]

If he doesn't break the record he will come awfully close..barring any freak injury...

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by boomboom
DO you guys think he will break the Hits record!

He is on fire right now...he is one of the only hitters that could break .400, of course not this year, but maybe next!!!!
It could happen. He needs 48 hits. Considering he's hit 50 in each of the past three months, you have think he's got a good shot. I'm curious to see if people start pitching around him to prevent the record. But the way Ichiro is, he'll take a swing if you bounce it in front of him.

[cujoe169]

finally some recognition... there was talk last year that he was just a coincidence... that he hit 351 in his rookie year by accident... because his average dropped to 321... look where he is now... i think he'll break the record... he heats up perenially around september :D

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cujoe169
finally some recognition... there was talk last year that he was just a coincidence... that he hit 351 in his rookie year by accident... because his average dropped to 321... look where he is now... i think he'll break the record... he heats up perenially around september :D
I don't think it's accurate to say he heats up perenially around September. His rookie year he .248 (25/101) in September and last year he hit .273 (30/110) in September. Now I don't know what his Japan League splits were for September but I'm willing to discount whatever they are due to the fact that the MLB season is much longer.

Now that's not to say he can't do it. The dude's straight raking right now.

[jamesfinch]

But the way Ichiro is, he'll take a swing if you bounce it in front of him

Did you see the footage of him from Japan. He had 2 hits in a game from balls that bounced in front of him. One was a double!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by jamesfinch
Did you see the footage of him from Japan. He had 2 hits in a game from balls that bounced in front of him. One was a double!
Indeed. It's a highlight staple at Safeco Field and on Mariner telecasts. Nice little golf swing he has.

[OhPhilly54]

I'd like to chime in on the Corey Patterson comment. He may not ever become a superstar. But then again, he might. I'm sick of the Cubs giving up on players so early! He is only 25 years old!

You want my advice? The Cubs should keep Patterson and Aramis and trade Sammy to someone for young talent.

p.s. I haven't liked Sammy for a long time. It isn't just this year...




Ichiro is the man.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
I'd like to chime in on the Corey Patterson comment. He may not ever become a superstar. But then again, he might. I'm sick of the Cubs giving up on players so early! He is only 25 years old!

You want my advice? The Cubs should keep Patterson and Aramis and trade Sammy to someone for young talent.

p.s. I haven't liked Sammy for a long time. It isn't just this year...


Ichiro is the man.
Nice throw-in on the Ichiro comment :D

As far as Patterson goes, he does need to learn some more about hitting if he wants to be a star. Cubbie fans are pretty high on the guy during this little hot streak of his, but that's just what it is...a streak. August has been a nice month for him, right on the heels of a July in which he hit .225 with a 32K:3BB ratio. Now I realize that K:BB ratio may not mean a whole lot to some people, but it is indicative of a player's ability to hit. Now, if he didn't strikeout so much while never taking a walk, I wouldn't mind so much...that would show an ability to maintain a high contact rate. Conversely if a player's more patient and draws more walks and still has these type of K rates, it would indicate that his strikeouts are perhaps due to being TOO patient.

A few other notes:
They say it takes about a 1,000 ABs at the MLB level to get an idea of the what kind of player you have. Coming into the season, Patterson had surpassed that mark already. So what do we have? A guy with a great deal of talent, an iffy injury history, and a flat learning curve.

Looking at his past four years, we see a guy that hasn't improved his ability to make contact. Until this season he hadn't shown a great deal of improvement in his ability to walk more. This year he's shown a jump from 3-4% to 6.5%. That's a decent improvement...IF he can keep it up.

Now, one other thing we've seen is an increase in BA these past two seasons. However, both were realised while he hit fewer groundballs yet saw his Hit rate increase. Hit rate is measured as the rate at which balls put in play fall for a hit, not counting homers. The league average hit rate is somewhere between 28-32% in a given year. Patterson was at 35% in 2003 - up from 31% in 2001 - and is at 36% this season. I wouldn't normally worry much about this, because some players just make contact in ways that produce hits more often. For example, it's known that groundballs become hits at a much higher rate than fly balls.

This takes me to my next point, which is that Patterson has seen a pretty drastic increase in flyballs. In 2002, he had a 1.54G/F ratio, meaning that he hit 1.54 groundballs for each 1 flyball hit. Last season saw this decrease to 1.37 and has further decreased to 0.96 G/F this season. Now that his ratio is featuring more flyballs, you'd think he'd be hitting HR at a higher rate, right? But he's actually at the same rate as last year: ~13% of his hits go for HR's. His 2B rate is up this year, which is a good indication of hitting into the gaps.

I didn't intend for this to be so long, but my point is this: Patterson's unlikely to be a star, but he's definitely worthy of starting, if he can stay healthy. I see a guy that will likely fluctuate somewhere around .260-.290 (might be higher or lower in a given year) and around the same power and speed numbers that he's putting up this year (on pace for ~23HR and ~30SB). Now those are good numbers...not star worthy, but good numbers. He's still young and one day the light might come on and he may learn how to read pitches and be more selective. And as a hitter that's his major flaw right now.

[Scorey1974]

I didn't intend for this to be so long, but my point is this: Patterson's unlikely to be a star

Well...why didn't you just say so in the first place...:D ;) :p :cool:

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
You want my advice? The Cubs should keep Patterson and Aramis and trade Sammy to someone for young talent.

Noone would take Sammy's HUGE contract....Definitely they should re-sign Ramirez....he's a superstar in the making....hard to believe he is only 26 and playing in his 7th year in the bigs...Patterson I still don't know about....He's worth keeping around for maybe a year or 2 more...then if there's no more improvement from him the Cubs should probably explore trade opportunities with him...

I'm not sure what prospects you could get for Sosa...No team in their right mind would take on his salary as well as give you top of the line prospects for him....The Cubs are better off keeping him until the arrival of Ryan Harvey...:)

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
Well...why didn't you just say so in the first place...:D ;) :p :cool:
This guy. He's a real joker.

Had I said that early on, you wouldn't have read any further, unless you were so inflamed by that comment that you had to attempt to understand the logic (or lack thereof) in the argument.

[OhPhilly54]

Gah!
You and your long post full of stats that could change my mind! You know what I think? Maybe he needs that laser eye surgery. It seems to have worked for Troy Glaus...when he plays.


Aramis is the best Chicago 3bman since I've become a fan. I think Santo was before my time(I wasn't born until 1981). But who could forget the great Steve Buchele, Shane Andrews, or did Chico Walker play 3rd? Anyway, keep Ramirez!

Ichiro did it again. And I hate the yankees! 22-0! So sweet!
And the cubs lost to Montreal...:confused:

[jstern2]

Yeah, Corey is gonna be Shea Hillebrand except with speed and defense.

In related news, clearly the best third basemen since Santo and before A-Ram is Gary Gaetti. Now there's a guy you can set your watch to.

[OhPhilly54]

You know who I forgot? We did have Bill Mueller at one point...then he had his career year...in Boston.

[Scorey1974]

OhPhilly...who is the pitcher in your sig?...I can't tell...

[jstern2]

It's Mark Grace!

[cujoe169]

please someone... couldn't u save the file as a 2000 universe.dat...? so i could use it in 2004? i don't really want to have to buy 2005 if i could hold out until 2006...

[OhPhilly54]

There...here is Mark Grace actually pitching. HAHA! What a stud.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cujoe169
please someone... couldn't u save the file as a 2000 universe.dat...? so i could use it in 2004? i don't really want to have to buy 2005 if i could hold out until 2006...
I'm not going to do it. Support the game makers man. It's not like you're funding a huge corporation by helping out.

[Bgsexy66]

Didn't wade boggs pitch for tampa bay? i also heard that he threw knuckle balls as well?




Robert

[cujoe169]

rotochamps... i know what u mean... i wasn't here for the summer and i know it's not like i'm supporting a big corp... but it's already been 6 months since it was released... and i just figured if i could wait then i'd have 2k6...

[Bgsexy66]

Actually i think it was released only like 3-4 months ago

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by cujoe169
please someone... couldn't u save the file as a 2000 universe.dat...? so i could use it in 2004? i don't really want to have to buy 2005 if i could hold out until 2006...

I don't believe you can use a universe file from 2k5 with any other version of the game....but you can use previous universe's from older games in 2k5...

[alvarez16]

Scorey u have any idea when the full release with pitching prospects rated will be out?

[cujoe169]

i think u just have to save it as an older game file as a choice... like saving it as a bbm2k version...

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
Scorey u have any idea when the full release with pitching prospects rated will be out?
We're hoping that we can have it done by the end of next week. We're working hard at getting it done as quickly and accurately as we can. Thanks for your patience.

It's taken a little extra time as we found some injury and contract issues we needed to straighten out, such as arbitration eligible players. I did a ton of leg-work to figure out which players that were listed as FA for 2004-2005 offseason were actually going to be FA and not arbitration eligible. That turned out to be a great deal more time consuming than I anticipated. An example of one of those players is Guillermo Mota, who's contract (I believe) was a topic for debate earlier in this thread. I did discover he's another year away from being eligible for Unrestricted Free Agency. So, he'll be listed as under contract through 2005 in the game.

[alvarez16]

Thanks, but wat is arbitration???? everyine keeps saying it and i dont know wat it is... All i know is that it has to do with a contract

Thanks

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
Thanks, but wat is arbitration???? everyine keeps saying it and i dont know wat it is... All i know is that it has to do with a contract

Thanks
Ok, well it goes like this, in real rough terms:
A player becomes eligible after his first three seasons of MLB service, generally speaking.

Once eligible, that player and his club submit salary figures to the Arbitration Panel, who then decides which salary is more representative of a players value at that time - either the number that the club gave or that the player gave. The decision is final and binding.

Now, the club can still negotiate with the player up until the Arbitration hearing. Typically, the deadline for submitting salary figures is a week or two before the actual hearing, so players and clubs may submit very similar numbers and then come to agreement on a one year contract on their own. The club and player can negotiate a new contract up until the hearing. Also, if a team decides they don't want to pay a player the amount of money he projects to make in arbitration, they can just not tender him arbitration and he becomes a Free Agent.

Now I said previously that three years is what it takes to become eligible for arbitration, but there's some technicalities to that. One is that a "year" of service time is 172 days on the Major League roster. So, a players must have 3x172 days of eligibility to be eligible. Now here's where it gets REAL weird.

There's the Super 2 rule. This states that the top 25% of of players with more than 2 years of service time -and less than 3- also become arbitration eligible. The "top 25%" is the based on service time. So essentially the players in the top 25% of seniority amongst players with at least 2 years service time and less than 3 years are Arbitration eligible.

Now, Arbitration eligibility lasts for three seasons. So Alfonso Soriano was eligible for arbitration this past offseason, for the first time. He is essentially under club control through the 2006 season. At any time the club and player may agree to a multi-year contract. This is often referred to as "buying out the arbitration" of a player. In return, the club usually gets a below market deal, since the player is guaranteed the money, and usually the club is also buying another season before the player is a FA. So, in Soriano's case, he's eligible for FA after 2006 season. If a club were to sign him to a multi year deal it would want to do so through at least the 2007 season. Of course, Soriano's agent would never allow that to happen...he wants to become a FA and get the BIG bucks. But I digress.

Anyways, that's an overview of arbitration.

[alvarez16]

so it pretty much means dat a player has a better chance of staying with a team if he is eligeble for arbitration??? And also wat happens to players with less than 3 years???

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
so it pretty much means dat a player has a better chance of staying with a team if he is eligeble for arbitration??? And also wat happens to players with less than 3 years???
Players under 3 years of service time are under club control. That means that the club can renew the player's contract at whatever amount they want to, so long as it's above the league minimum for that player's level of service time. I believe 200K or 250K is the minimum for a first year player.

Until the recent salary escalation, players that were arbitration eligible were almost always going to stay with their team, or get traded to another team that would pay the arbitration value.

One other thing to note about arbitration. You'll often hear the term related to veteran Free Agents. What happens is that a team must decide whether or not it's going to offer it's Free Agent(s) arbitration or not. IF they elect not to, they lose the right to sign that player until May 1st of the upcoming season. If a team offers salary arbitration and loses that player to another team, they are awarded one of that teams draft picks. Which draft pick is determined by what level of Free Agent the player is considered...these are ranked A, B, C. Players with a value of A draw the highest pick a team has, unless it's in the top 15 picks of the first round, in which case they are awarded a sandwich pick. It gets really confusing from there. But essentially, the Mariners didn't have a pick until the fourth round in the draft this year because they signed Ibanez, Guardado, and (I think) Villone. And even if they sign a free agent this season that was offered arbitration, they'll retain their first round pick because it'll be in the Top 15.

If they do agree, the player then can either accept arbitration or decline. IF the player accepts, the player can no longer negotiate with other teams and is considered a "under contract" to that team. A good example of this is Greg Maddux's last season with teh Braves. The Braves offered him arbitration, b/c they wanted compensation if he signed elsewhere. However, Maddux wasn't getting the offers he thought he should, so he accepted arbitration and the Braves had to pay him $12M and trade Kevin Millwood, because they could no longer afford him due to the unexpected $12M they had to pay Maddux. So there's a measure of risk involved.

[alvarez16]

So for example Miguel CAbrera, they can sign him for 300K over 7 years since he hasnt been on the ML roster for 3 years?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by alvarez16
So for example Miguel CAbrera, they can sign him for 300K over 7 years since he hasnt been on the ML roster for 3 years?
Uh, no....

Cabrera was called up around mid-season last year I believe. So at the end of this season, the Marlins will likely try to negotiate a raise with him. If they can't come to an agreement the Marlins have the right to simply renew his contract at whatever amount they wish for the 2005 season. Now, it's very possible that Cabrera will be eligible for arbitration following the 2005 season, as a Super 2 player, due to the point at which he was promoted last season. Contract renewals and Arbitration agreements are only for 1 year contracts. Teams can sign players to multi-year contracts at any time, however, it's unlikely that you'll ever see someone like Cabrera sign a multi-year deal for so little. However, because there's no arbitration setup in the game, we placed Cabrera under club control through his (projected) arbitration years, which would be 2002-2008.

[sagz222]

how do you use the universe.dat

[TheChief]

I am completely lost.

I downlaoded the first edition on page 1, post 1. I downlaoded it and it was an icon on my desktop. What do I do now to update the rosters? Please go through process if you can.

[TheChief]

Originally posted by TheChief
I am completely lost.

I downlaoded the first edition on page 1, post 1. I downlaoded it and it was an icon on my desktop. What do I do now to update the rosters? Please go through process if you can.


universe.zip I mean

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by TheChief
I am completely lost.

I downlaoded the first edition on page 1, post 1. I downlaoded it and it was an icon on my desktop. What do I do now to update the rosters? Please go through process if you can.

Copy and paste the universe.whatever icon on your desktop into the C/Program Files/Sports Mogul/Baseball 2005. When it asks to overwrite the previous universe say yes. Then, open up 2K5 and instead of choosing a year for your rosters, choose "Don't Load Stats." Choose a team, and you're ready to go.

[TheChief]

o ok thanx

[cshiel63]

Rotochamp your explanation of arbitration was better than some I have read that were put out by MLB. The way you put it is actually understandable. :) Great job.

Oh yea and AWESOME job on the rosters. They are great!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cshiel63
Rotochamp your explanation of arbitration was better than some I have read that were put out by MLB. The way you put it is actually understandable. :) Great job.

Oh yea and AWESOME job on the rosters. They are great!
lol. Thanks very much! and Thanks very much! :D

[liveandletdie]

i know you guys are busy with your everyday workday and life, so it may be difficult to tell, but when are you expecting the new rosters to be out? It dosen't matter to me, I just hope its before the season ends...Well keep up the good work and thanks for all your work already

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by liveandletdie
i know you guys are busy with your everyday workday and life, so it may be difficult to tell, but when are you expecting the new rosters to be out? It dosen't matter to me, I just hope its before the season ends...Well keep up the good work and thanks for all your work already
We're hoping to have it ready in the next week or so...may take a bit longer, but that's the general timeline.

[boomboom]

Originally posted by cujoe169
rotochamps... i know what u mean... i wasn't here for the summer and i know it's not like i'm supporting a big corp... but it's already been 6 months since it was released... and i just figured if i could wait then i'd have 2k6...

you had no intention of ever buying 2k5, and i doubt you will buy 2k6

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55058

[TheChief]

Everytime I use the universe.zip updated rosters the Yanks and D-Rays are 0-0 but have stats. Why is that and can I correct it?

[Scorey1974]

Not sure what you are talking about as far as NYY/TB having stats???....I checked the universe file and when I start a new game there are no stats for any players on any teams....You will have to be more specific as to what stats you are getting...Thanks

[cheeze]

He means that the yankees record is 0-0 but some of the players on the team already stats recorded for the 2004 season.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by cheeze
He means that the yankees record is 0-0 but some of the players on the team already stats recorded for the 2004 season.
Hmm, well we'll check the universe to be sure nothing got accidentally enterred in "This Year" stat section.

[Doc Blue Jay]

Can somebody explain to me how to edit a universe file. I read somewhere that you just rename it with a .mog ending and then resume it but i cant get it to work. Please help.

[Scorey1974]

I double checked the universe...and there are no stats for 2004 for the Yankees or D-Rays...so I'm not sure what you are doing to get these stats...

[fgevilmonkey]

I've also had the same problem with teams having stats before they start playing (I think it may have been with the Yankees, I can't remember.)

That glitch happened for me, however, on JRCrowley's roster, so I'm guessing there is some event-triggered glitch that causes this to happen.

[ridge]

any update on the final release date

thanks

[TheChief]

Originally posted by cheeze
He means that the yankees record is 0-0 but some of the players on the team already stats recorded for the 2004 season.

exactly

[Jaysfanlee]

Any updates available, team?

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by Jaysfanlee
Any updates available, team?
I'm still working on it...transactions have been updated by Scorey, I'm just trying to hammer out the pitching projections. No clue as to when it'll be available, but I'm getting there.

[jstern2]

Is there any set date? Or are you guys just hoping to have it out as soon as possible.


P.S. Sorry for so many questions, it's just that I am really looking forward to this update.

P.P.S. You guys should be like... thanked a lot or something for all the hard work you are doing.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by jstern2
Is there any set date? Or are you guys just hoping to have it out as soon as possible.


P.S. Sorry for so many questions, it's just that I am really looking forward to this update.

P.P.S. You guys should be like... thanked a lot or something for all the hard work you are doing.
I'm still working on it...I'm not going to predict a date, just b/c the pitchers are a pain the a$$ to project. I'm trying to get them done ASAP for you. Thanks for the patience

[mohawk1guy]

if you don't mind me asking what do you base this stuff on? scouting reports? something else or AAA stats? idk lmk thanks!

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by mohawk1guy
if you don't mind me asking what do you base this stuff on? scouting reports? something else or AAA stats? idk lmk thanks!
I utilize a few things. Past performance matters, but usually in the context of the players growth. A guy may appear to have bad numbers in a given year, but perhaps his leading indicators show growth over the previous year. The numbers most media publish mean little to nothing in projecting a player's performance, so we use some formulas to derive some indicating statistics that allow us to see if what caused a player's ERA or AVG to change. Did it change because the guy had worse/better control, or worse/better defense, worse/better luck, etc.

I also utilize some scouting reports to understand what kind of player the guy is, i.e. is he a power pitcher or a finese pitcher. It matters in terms of a players development. Also, I have to put a players performance into the context of the league/ballpark they play in. If a player appears to have a breakout year, you have to look to see if he got promoted to the Cal League which is considered a hitters league...and that tells you that maybe he didn't have a great breakout year, but instead he's a pull hitter who flys out a lot but got lucky to play in a park with a short left field line (so now his fly outs are homers).

Also, a players attitude are taken into account. A lot of these guys in the lower minors will face better competition as they get moved up the chain. If a guy is considered to not be dedicated, he could stall once he stops having success, as opposed to guys who are dedicated and take the time to fix their flaws. This isn't a huge part of the equation, but it does matter.

Pitchers are a pain because of the ways in which they're developed. A pitchers numbers may not mean anything at a given level. For example, Rafael Soriano got sent down (after his MLB debut) with instructions to work on his changeup. There were some games where he would simply work on changing speeds and forget about his breaking ball. This is not uncommon...you may read reports of a guy throwing nothing but changeups one inning.

[mohawk1guy]

very very interesting

well gl with all this work.... a league i joined is waiting on your universe so i figured i'ld ask a little about it... from waht i've heard you make good universe's

later

[blizzah5]

So these databases don't work with 04/03?

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by blizzah5
So these databases don't work with 04/03?

No...2K5 universe files do not work with previous versions as far as I know

[alvarez16]

Any update on the rosters???

P.S- GREAT JOB WITH THE ONES U RELEASEd

[RotoChamp2]

Still working on it...pitchers are slow going.

I also had to go back and adjust some peak ages and peak ratings. Having played a few different test runs, I found that some guys were getting ridiculously awesome far too early. I'm hoping it shouldn't be too much longer though

[alvarez16]

thanks

[RobsKicks]

According to your dates it should either be out yesterday or by this December ;) :D

[fgevilmonkey]

hahahaha

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RobsKicks
According to your dates it should either be out yesterday or by this December ;) :D

Sorry...but that's the price we all must pay for this thing to be as accurate as possible...:)

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by RobsKicks
According to your dates it should either be out yesterday or by this December ;) :D
Oh, don't underestimate us...we could very possibly take longer than December. Man, I hate it when people lower their expectations of me :D

[dabluebery]

Guys,

I am patiently waiting for your rosters, and I understand how much work the predictions are for you.

You guys should consider talking to Clay and making provisions for 2006, or a new version of Mogul, if there ever is one. So that when a newer version comes out, this thing you've worked on for 3 months doesn't get tossed out.

You could end up working on this longer than we get to use it, should a new version come out. A newer version, with 2004 stats, etc. will definitely take priority over your outdated database.

Maybe there's some way you can take all of the predictions and keep them in a spreadsheet, that Clay could import to the predictions, etc. to the new version of rosters.

Also, no one pick me apart on details. I know enough about databases and database programming to know that what I'm talking about isn't necessarily impossible, but I may not be describing it properly.

Rob

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by dabluebery
Guys,

I am patiently waiting for your rosters, and I understand how much work the predictions are for you.

You guys should consider talking to Clay and making provisions for 2006, or a new version of Mogul, if there ever is one. So that when a newer version comes out, this thing you've worked on for 3 months doesn't get tossed out.

You could end up working on this longer than we get to use it, should a new version come out. A newer version, with 2004 stats, etc. will definitely take priority over your outdated database.

Maybe there's some way you can take all of the predictions and keep them in a spreadsheet, that Clay could import to the predictions, etc. to the new version of rosters.

Also, no one pick me apart on details. I know enough about databases and database programming to know that what I'm talking about isn't necessarily impossible, but I may not be describing it properly.

Rob
I agree that it would be nice to do. I, unfortunately, don't know enough about DB programming to do that. I'd like to be able to leverage this same work in the 2006 edition of the game and will likely talk to Clay about that possibility.

Thanks for the support

EDIT: Oh, and one other thing...while I'm sure people want the 2004 stats, realize that I've been going through updating player projections based on their 2004 performance, so it should be pretty accurate to their abilities and growth curve.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by RotoChamp2
Having played a few different test runs, I found that some guys were getting ridiculously awesome far too early.

Not only that, but there are far too many people are getting "rediculously awesome." Most farm systems have 3-4 guys or more with peaks above 90 overall, and if they put any amount of money into their farm system, another 10+ guys or so end up over 90 overall.

[XtremeSlim]

Could we possibly get an update? It's October.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by XtremeSlim
Could we possibly get an update? It's October.

Thank you very much, I agree.

[Scorey1974]

We're getting VERY close

[TheChief]

yay!! Then my new sim league will be dominant!! Keep up the good work!! Thanx a lot.

[mooseman74]

Not sure if you guys want any more ideas for adding batters...but if so....could you add 1B/3B Eric Crozier and SP Gustavo Chacin to the Blue Jays? Crozier's a great defensive 1B with good power and looks like he could be the 1B for Toronto in 2005 when/if Delgado signs elsewhere and Chacin has been very good in his starts with T.O. and was a dominant force in the AA and AAA (combined 19-2) before getting called up. Thanks :)

[Scorey1974]

We are going to put out the roster that only includes players that we have had in since the beginning....then once that file is out....I will take your suggestions and update the universe as I see fit...Sound good to everyone?

I would expect the file to be officially released in less than a week

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by mooseman74
Not sure if you guys want any more ideas for adding batters...but if so....could you add 1B/3B Eric Crozier and SP Gustavo Chacin to the Blue Jays? Crozier's a great defensive 1B with good power and looks like he could be the 1B for Toronto in 2005 when/if Delgado signs elsewhere and Chacin has been very good in his starts with T.O. and was a dominant force in the AA and AAA (combined 19-2) before getting called up. Thanks :)
We're not adding anyone else for the moment. We're just trying to get this done and released. We'll look at adding additional players after that.

[RobsKicks]

WORK ON IT ALL DAY AND RELEASE IT1!!!!!!!! Please?

[Scorey1974]

Hey guys just an FYI...we are getting very close to releasing the roster...So PLEASE no more questions or IM's to Rotochamp or myself about when it will be out....I am going to be very honest here...It gets very annoying!!! It WILL be out soon...

[spchrisb]

Thanks for all your hard work you guys....you guys rock.....



Lets Go Dodgers...Maybe they will finally win a playoff game.....what has it been 16 years?.......

[oriole^]

Just wanted to thank you guys for your continued hard work on this. It's very appreciated, and I'm sure Clay agrees, too. Keep the faith!

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
I would expect the file to be officially released in less than a week

Well. being that it's 1 hour from being a week from when you posted this, I think I am fully justified in saying what I'm about to. I appreciate all of the work you guys do, and I love your universe, but this has just gotten absurd. This is not the first time you guys have failed to meet a deadline. If you're going to set up a release date or a deadline for yourselves, then STICK TO IT. If you don't plan on sticking to it, simple don't say when. Just say you're trying your hardest. It's not fair to all of us to be tangled around on a string like this. It's the playoffs, guys. 1 team has already advanced. It's rediculous that this file can't be out 5 months after the game was released. Come on, get your act together. I really look forward to the universe, it's a great file and it works, but come on.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Well. being that it's 1 hour from being a week from when you posted this, I think I am fully justified in saying what I'm about to. I appreciate all of the work you guys do, and I love your universe, but this has just gotten absurd. This is not the first time you guys have failed to meet a deadline. If you're going to set up a release date or a deadline for yourselves, then STICK TO IT. If you don't plan on sticking to it, simple don't say when. Just say you're trying your hardest. It's not fair to all of us to be tangled around on a string like this. It's the playoffs, guys. 1 team has already advanced. It's rediculous that this file can't be out 5 months after the game was released. Come on, get your act together. I really look forward to the universe, it's a great file and it works, but come on.
First off, I understand you're frustrated, but I didn't even know that post was up.

Secondly, we are trying are hardest to get this done for you all. You want to blame anywhere, feel free to put it on me, cause I just don't give a rat's a$$ at this point. Between my normal job which has had me working 50-60 hours a week, keeping up a website, and trying to work on this file...free time isn't exactly a luxury here.

Further, part of the blame can go to me for not working on this for two days due to being bed-ridden with a brutal sinus infection.

You're getting this file for free, from a group of people who've donated their own spare time to the project. You want to complain, do it elsewhere because you're not going to find any further compassion from me. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but we don't need any of you telling us when it's taking too long or we're not meeting these loose deadlines we throw out there. We don't intentially "tangle (you) on a string line"...sometimes things come up in personal and professional lives that make it difficult for us to put in the time we'd like. Doing this roster is not mine nor Scorey's top priority in life...he has a wife, kids, and a job and I have a job, a company to run, and a life to lead as well.

This project has taken months longer than either of us ever expected or wanted it to. To put 450+ prospects into a game and build them so that they project in a somewhat realistic fashion is not easy...especially considering that it took quite a bit of testing to figure out the nuances of the player development engine in the game. Beyond that, I've also adjusted ratings of the existing players based on their growth curves and went back to include current season (2004) performance. This really is the type of project that should've been done with the game during it's development...instead we started it following the release of the game.

Scorey and I both appreciate everyone's patience, we don't ever intend to mis-lead y'all on when it'll be done, nor do we want you to think we've forgotten about you. That said, I'm tired of hearing the complaints for something that's free to you all. Sorry to sound like a jerk, it's not my intention, but I'm tired of saying it. Thanks.

[Scorey1974]

Well....i guess we will be releasing the file on an email only basis then....Those of you who have been kind and patient...and realize that both RC and myself have lives outside of Baseball Mogul and do not require to meet any deadlines will be receiving the universe via email...just click in my sig to email me and I will send it to you as long as you agree to boycott goyanks use of it....Simple enough?....I mean hey guys...Do you know what we get for even spending hundreds of hours making this thing...? NADA....NIL...ZERO...And so what it's the playoffs...If the universe is out by the end of next week...that gives you a good 6 months at least to play with it...

My apologies to RC for making that post that it would be available within a week or so...That was just a guess on my part....anytime I give you a date...all it is is a guess...RC has very strict policies regarding rating the prospects and is painstakingly going through each one to make sure they are rated as correct as he is capable of...And yet when it's IS finally released their will be bitches and gripes that we will have to deal with...

Just remember...My new policy...You want the universe...send me an email...feel free to email me anytime...I will update you on the progress...or send you the file if it's done...

If you'd like to make donations...I have a paypay account set up....i will share the proceeds with RC...:)

[OhPhilly54]

Oh boy Yanks,
You got me on the wrong night. What the HE(ck)LL are you thinking!?!?! If you want something done so (ahem) fast and well, please start making your own universe!

These 2 guys are nice enough to work on 450 prospects probably more than a dozen times to better our mogul experience! And you come off saying "I can't believe you didn't meet a deadline."??? Have you ever gotten sick? How about maybe had some family business you needed to deal with? Nah, I guess not. Everything you do probably is perfect. You are the perfect human being...Then please do a universe file for us all so we have the perfect file at the exact right time!

I sure hope you were drinking when you wrote this...

And by the way, YANKEES SUCK!
There, RC, now I'm the jerk. Thanks for everything guys.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
Oh boy Yanks...

...I sure hope you were drinking when you wrote this...

And by the way, YANKEES SUCK!
There, RC, now I'm the jerk. Thanks for everything guys.
LMFAO...Thanks Philly, I need the laugh...that was hilarious. :D

[OhPhilly54]

No problem Roto. I've already sent out the e-mail to Scorey so whenever you guys have the time to finish, just let me know. Thanks for your work.

Go Red Sox!

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
No problem Roto. I've already sent out the e-mail to Scorey so whenever you guys have the time to finish, just let me know. Thanks for your work.

Go Red Sox!

Everyone should really say a special thank you to RC2 for helping me out...He's pretty much a pro at rating prospects...which I definitely am not...I'm pretty good with the game aspect of making the files...but as far as rating players...I really welcomed the help this season...This file will be the best that's come out of these forums ever...I can pretty much guarantee you that....Also...a thank you to whomever it was who worked on the salaries...I can't recall who it was...but you know who you are. Thank you

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Well. being that it's 1 hour from being a week from when you posted this,...... I think I am fully justified in saying what I'm about to. I appreciate all of the work you guys do, and I love your universe, but this has just gotten absurd.......... This is not the first time you guys have failed to meet a deadline. If you're going to set up a release date or a deadline for yourselves, then STICK TO IT........... If you don't plan on sticking to it, simple don't say when.......... Just say you're trying your hardest. It's not fair to all of us to be tangled around on a string like this. It's the playoffs, guys. 1 team has already advanced. It's rediculous that this file can't be out 5 months after the game was released. Come on, get your act together. I really look forward to the universe, it's a great file and it works, but come on.

1. Sue us!!!
2. You are not justified...we can take a poll if you'd like.
3. Correct it is not the first time we have failed to meet a deadline (which are simply guesses)....We are not hired by you nor do we get paid by you...If you (goyanks) would like to have the file I really do have a paypal account set up and it will cost you 20.00$ to recieve it and 5.00$ for any updates.
4. I was just kidding about the paypal account for the rest of you.
5. We have our act together...we do things on our own time...and are not accountable to anyone on this project.
6. I am glad that you are looking forward to the file...just send me your email address and I will send you a request for funds from paypal.

RC...you can have to 20 bucks if he send it...;)

[OhPhilly54]

I guess I missed that before. You mean the player salaries will be accurate? This gets better and better.

Thanks much fellas.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
I guess I missed that before. You mean the player salaries will be accurate? This gets better and better.

Thanks much fellas.

You wouldn't expect any less now would you...;) :D ?

[Scorey1974]

Hey all readers...click here (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/private.php?s=&action=newmessage&userid=3350) to flood goyanks PM box with hate mail....:D

[boomboom]

Originally posted by goyanks225
. It's not fair to all of us to be tangled around on a string like this. It's the playoffs, guys. 1 team has already advanced. It's rediculous that this file can't be out 5 months after the game was released. Come on, get your act together. I really look forward to the universe, it's a great file and it works, but come on.

but come on, as i remember you rosters sucked, you made all yankee players godly. They dont work for sportsmogul, they dont ask for money for all the work they do, it is all free, so get over it ****er!

Scorey, You guys have made a great roster....hopefully you guys will continue to post them to the general public, and not just keep it to yourself......i am so selffish that i havent contributed to this game as much as you guys have and yet dont give you any money for your hard work!:)

Thankyou roto and scorey:)

[RotoChamp2]

Thanks for the support all...it's much appreciated.

I'm gonna try talking Scorey into releasing the universe on the forums for everyone. Everyone has bad or stupid moments, so I don't think we'll hold it against goyanks beyond the verbal thrashing already bestowed upon him...or written thrashing as it were.

Anyways, things are VERY close. I came home from work tonight and hammered out the last of the prospect projections (just finished at 3am PST). We now must do some testing to make sure I haven't f'ed anything up. Scorey also has a few minor updates/adjustments to make to some things. I'm not going to set a deadline, but it should be very soon. Thanks again for the patience.

[forrestca]

Keep up the good work, guys... I'm looking forward to seeing the final "polished" project!

It really is nice to see such dedication from two obviously hard-working guys despite having to put up with insane comments from ungrateful members.

It has been said a few times, but it can never be said enough. Thanks again to both of you.

[BubbaDrew]

Originally posted by forrestca
Keep up the good work, guys... I'm looking forward to seeing the final "polished" project!

It really is nice to see such dedication from two obviously hard-working guys despite having to put up with insane comments from ungrateful members.

It has been said a few times, but it can never be said enough. Thanks again to both of you.

Quit Sucking up Chris :p


Jk.

I cant wait. You guys are so great for doing this. If i wasnt dead broke, id send you money.

I <3 Scorey and Roto.

Go Cubs!

[goyanks225]

The point of my post, as I said within it, was not to yell at you. I just didn't think it was OK to have us sitting here waiting for the file all this time. I understand being stuck in bed for two days with a sinus infection and I of course understand the fact that you have other lives to live, I never implied that this should be your top priority. If you, RotoChamp, never even new a week deadline was set up, then obviously you can't be accounted for that. I said that I love your file and it's great, and I clearly look forward to using it and I believe I said that we all greatly appreciate the work that you guys do to put out the universe for us. If I didn't say that, I apologize, I should have said that because that is how I feel. I was simply frustrated with sitting here listening to these projected release dates not being fulfilled. If you had said, "We're working on it as hard as we can and will get it out to you as soon as we can" and NOT set up any release dates at all, then that would have been fine, but the second either of you set up a date, then you should be ready to release on that date. I can understand, after reading both posts over, realize how you misunderstood what I was saying. However, I said I appreciate the work you guys do and the file you put out is great. I never doubted that.

Now that being said, let me respond to a few posts made in response to my original:

OhPhilly- The Yankees are in the ALCS. They obviously don't suck. The Phillies aren't even in the playoffs. The only teams that have reasonable claims at saying their team is better than the Yankees are the Red Sox, Braves, Cardinals, Astros, and Dodgers, being as how they are the only teams STILL IN IT

BoomBoom - How did I make the Yankees players "godly"? And, even if I did, I certainly don't think I should be the only faulted for that, being as how both Scorey and RotoChamp added top prospects with 11 or 12 year contracts to BOTH of their teams

RotoChamp - I would appreciate you posting the universe on the forums, even though you don't have to at all

And before I post this, one last thing:
I MADE THE CONTRACT INFO FOR THE UNIVERSE
Don't say I'm not "supportive" and am just a pain in the a$$, I am actually part of the reason the universe will be released as early as now! I went through every player in the MLB and prospects and adjusted their contracts to make them accurate.

[OhPhilly54]

I'm not a Phillies fan. My name is Phil. Some guys started calling me Ohhhhhhhhhh Philly and it kind of stuck I guess. Better than the usual Phildo anyway...Phillies suck too.

I'm a Cubs fan. I love the Cubs and will readily admit we did not deserve to make the playoffs this year. I will also readily admit Bartman was not the sole reason for our loss last year. Think about the error on Gonzales. Or the 4 other runs that were given up. Anyway, I just hate the Yankees because of how they manage their team. Buying teams just annoys me is all. Now come on Cubbies. GO BUY US SOME RELIEVERS. Oops.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by OhPhilly54
I'm not a Phillies fan. My name is Phil.

Whoops, my bad.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by goyanks225
I was simply frustrated with sitting here listening to these projected release dates not being fulfilled. If you had said, "We're working on it as hard as we can and will get it out to you as soon as we can" and NOT set up any release dates at all, then that would have been fine, but the second either of you set up a date, then you should be ready to release on that date.

No solid release date was ever set. Like I said before....we are not accountable for any dates or times to release anything....In fact...we can decide to scrap the whole project right now and not release it at all.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by RobsKicks
According to your dates it should either be out yesterday or by this December ;) :D

RobsKicks has it right on the money...according to our dates...we don't know when it will be released...could be tonight...could very well be this December...could be never

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by goyanks225
Whoops, my bad.

goyanks...you just don't know when to quit do you?

[RobsKicks]

We need this file, we're not smart enough to make our own!... :D :D :D

[Hash1]

One thing you need to know about "projected release dates" is that alot of the time they dont get released when they had planned. Take a look at doom 3 and HL 2(which actually cost money) if you think everyone is perfect and releases there product when they say they will.

[Hash1]

And its not scoreys or rotos fault that the bbm2k5 rosters were terrible so if you want great rosters right now go complain to clay about the rosters sucking and that the baseball seasons almost over. Thank god we have 2 people dedicated to making this game fun for everyone.

[cshiel63]

All I got to say is Whenever its ready its ready

Being a Yankee fan the offseason is short anyway, what with the World Seies and the parade and all, So to have the universe done in October or November just makes BBM more fun to play in the dead of winter.

Keep up the good work guys.

[hawkeye3200]

I hope people like goyanks don't discourage you two. The vast majority of people here appreciate your hard work and will be very glad to have access to a good file, regardless of when that is.

Thanks.

[goyanks225]

Originally posted by hawkeye3200
I hope people like goyanks don't discourage you two. The vast majority of people here appreciate your hard work and will be very glad to have access to a good file, regardless of when that is.

Thanks.

ok people, this is rediculous. I never said I don't appreciate the work they do! I've said over and over again I do, and I've even helped them with their work! All of the accurate contract info you see in the universe is courtesy of ME! So let's stop acting like I don't appreciate the work they do.

[RotoChamp2]

Originally posted by goyanks225
ok people, this is rediculous. I never said I don't appreciate the work they do! I've said over and over again I do, and I've even helped them with their work! All of the accurate contract info you see in the universe is courtesy of ME! So let's stop acting like I don't appreciate the work they do.

Alright boys and girls, since I started this by ripping goyanks a new a$$hole, I'm gonna be the one to end it.

Scorey and I both appreciate all of the support and patience from everyone. But it's playoff/off-season time which means the only things we should be arguing about are:

1) When will the Yanks blow it...World Series or ALCS? I've got the moneyline on the ALCS.
2) How long till Ron Gardenhire gets the Grady Little treatment...oh wait, the media in MN is able to keep some perspective on the managers decisions...unlike the Boston media.
3) Whether Bush is a pathological liar or if he's too stupid to know the difference.
4) How ridiculously good-looking I am. "Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, I am ridiculously good looking, I know...I just can't help it."

And that's really all there is to say about it :D

[OhPhilly54]

1. I'm not going to comment on your good looks...cough, gasp, ehem.

2. I hate the Yankees and they will lose at some point. But I mean really...when do they ever lose to Boston? I hate to say it, but they will lose in the World Series. To who? Oh, it will be Roger Clemens' Astros. HOw sweet will that be for Roger???

3. I'm better looking than you. Wait, we've been there already...

5. I is smart...

[RotoChamp2]

Alrighty ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. We're live and ready to rock. I'm your ridiculously good looking host, RotoChamp2 and tonight I present to you Baseball Mogul Universe - Ultimate Edition, brought to you by Scorey and me! :D

Please go here (http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62161) for more information.

You stay classy, San Diego!