A Great Man

[cartman00000001]

Instead of conspiracy theories and paranoia threads, I thought I would give just a brief thing on someone who I think is the smartest man on the planet. Prof. Steven Hawking. I got into him through a co-worker. I have read his lectures on his web site, and I have to say I was quite impressed. I enjoyed the way he brought it "down to earth" for those of us who are not microbiologists. 2 that I liked were "Does God Play Dice?" and Space and Time Warps" I agree with him when he says that time travel to the past just may not be possible at all. That just makes sense. I always thought that we could do anything given enough time and technology. Space travel will happen, we just have to cut short the distance. Folding space al la Dune should be the solution, when we find it. Time...I am having doubts about going foward, and what is the sense of going foward if we can't come back to tell people about what we saw? Just my thoughts. Hope it spurs "real" discussion and not George W. went back in his time machine to kill all the Jews in WWII, that's just dumb talk.

[williethebasset]

I've read segments of his books, he is very very smart.

[kingmob]

i agree hawking is very intelligent.....but i digress the topics you scoff at as conspiracy theory is wrong........the things i talk about i back up......tell me where im wrong specificaly instead of with broad brush stroke.....i think we al ready have tech. that will give us the power source we need to explore the galaxy....but like all tech. the elite secret societies keep this tech. for them selves...they always have in the past and i see no reason to assume now is any different

[cartman00000001]

you back up by posting web sites? That's a backup? Don't believe everything you read. Conspiracies are hard to swallow for me. Reason? because as human beings we just can't keep a secret! You know, at first, I believed in the JFK conspiracy, now...no. To believe like you do, you have to throw out common sense. Usually, the dumb theory turns out to be the truth. You want to think that there must be more, but it doesn't stick. You said before on 5,000 dead American soldiers hidden in Cyprus. Here's where common sense comes in...what about their families. Don't you think that if they haven't contacted anyone, that someone somewhere would start asking questions? It's not like the old days where you wrote a letter. There are satellite phones, press who are embedded with the troops, and Euorpe...c'mon if they had 1 whiff of it, they would jump on us in a second. Conspiracies are romantic to us. They sound great, but most times, they don't hold water. The sooner you know that your goverment isn't trying to find new and different ways of screwing you out of whatever, the better you'll feel. Conspiracies belong in the movies.

[kingmob]

well ok cartman believe what ya want
i believe that the military-industrial-banking complex killed jfk...
i believe that this same junta pulled off 911....
i dont believe much if anything the govt. says throught there controlled media.....
but i do know from everything ive read internet sites, books ,and interviews of intelligent people in high levels of govt. that there is a conspiracy to enslave us all through a one world govt, money, and religion....there is a tiny elite that runs the whole show......i bet no more that the top 300-900 people run this country and a group of 3000 run the whole world.....these people are into the occult ....watch eyes wide shut and the occult scene is probably close to what happens.....kubrick didnt live to see his film released.....in jan 2005 the pan-american union is scheduled to be unveiled thru the ftaa......canada, the caribean island(except cuba) central and south america will be in union modeled on the EU....this is a fact

heres a poll about what americans think about jfk
77% of americans are kooks that believe oswald wasnt a lone gunman (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/11/20/opinion/main23166.shtml)

49% of new yorkers are kooks (http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=745)

good 911 truth site.....do some research theres tons of info out there (http://www.911truth.org/)

[kingmob]

heres a little flashvideo about the pentagon strike....check it out with an open mind
pentagon strike (http://www.prisonplanet.tv/Pages/021004_pentagon_attack.html#Main)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
in jan 2005 the pan-american union is scheduled to be unveiled thru the ftaa......canada, the caribean island(except cuba) central and south america will be in union modeled on the EU....this is a fact



OK King, I'm holding my breath on this, just like when the Euro was going to e changed for the currency for Oil back in March, and just when the economy was going to collapse during the summer.

[cartman00000001]

liked the Pentagon piece...nice work of fiction. He's the problem that arises when common sense gets in the way of what you believe. OK, let's say that a missle or a different plane hit the building. How on earth do they time that on that day when we got attacked? There is no dispute that 2 planes hit the World Trade Center. Unless they were "in bed" with Bin Laden...which is yet another conspiracy. Just too many conspiracies to keep track of, you need a scorecard! Second, why would you hit the Pentagon, which is a building that houses the headquarters of youR TOP MILITARY PERSONELL and your intelligence. Please tell me...WHY WOULD YOU RISK THAT STUNT TO GO TO WAR? You are going to attack your own for that? C'mon. What about the people that were onboard those planes? They just dissapeared right? Another conspiracy perhaps. You are a lucky man. Lucky that I am not a loved one of someone who perished that day. As a person who saw what happened on TV, drove into Boston that afternoon and saw the security, the abandoned streets, the panic in people's eyes, I am offended that you can dismiss 3000 lives for some drawn-up conspiracy theory in your and a SMALL PERCENTAGE of kooks who think the goverment is constantly out to get them. Look, we live in the greatest contry on earth. It's not the perfect system, nothing is, but it's the best that's out there. You talk about all this stuff, UPC codes, anti-christ running around goverment spying. If you really want to do something about it, get involved. Join a watchdog group, VOTE, create an alternative to UPC if you choose. Don't spread lies, accusations, and don't dismiss the sacrfice that 3000 made that day. THEY MEAN SOMETHING TO ME! They mean that people are out there who are dying to get a hold of us. Not sure about the hatred out there for us? Want to talk to my wife? She can tell you some good ones. SHE'S BEEN THERE. SHE'S SEEN IT. Which is more than I can say about myself and I'm assuming you too. I know we have agreed to disagree. You have been nice about your opinions and haven't resoted to name calling, and I applaude you for it. But don't make their lives sound petty in any way. I just can't let you do that.

[kingmob]

im not denigrating the people that died that day....but the official govt. story is full of holes...like....
how did bin laden get norad to stand down?
why were the patsy hijackers training at pensacola naval air station?
why was fema in nyc on sept.10?
larry silverstein the owner of the wtc said in a pbs film that they pulled(imploded) building 7 on that day...the building wasnt hit by anything.
how did bush see the 1st plane hit when noone in the country saw it....cia closed circuit tv
bush saw first plane hit (http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,612355,00.html)

cartman the official story of what happened is the conspiracy theory.....because there story just doesnt wash.....heres a 911 archive of mainstream news articles.....dont dismiss this as it was on the internet so its BS....its mainstream articles.....do a little research on 911 theres tons of info. out there.....dont let your emotions get in the way of the facts
911 archive (http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html)

[williethebasset]

I've never understood whats wrong with UPC's, they prevent me from being overcharged.

[kingmob]

no they dont ...ive had them overcharge me way more than undercharge me......

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
i agree hawking is very intelligent.....but i digress the topics you scoff at as conspiracy theory is wrong........the things i talk about i back up......tell me where im wrong specificaly instead of with broad brush stroke.....i think we al ready have tech. that will give us the power source we need to explore the galaxy....but like all tech. the elite secret societies keep this tech. for them selves...they always have in the past and i see no reason to assume now is any different

You supposedly back up your claims with articles and clips from known conspiracy theory sites with absolutely zero credibility. I think youre an extremely intelligent guy with a lot of opinions, but those sites dont back your claims my friend. They just add to nothing more than heavily opiniated theory.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
You supposedly back up your claims with articles and clips from known conspiracy theory sites with absolutely zero credibility. I think youre an extremely intelligent guy with a lot of opinions, but those sites dont back your claims my friend. They just add to nothing more than heavily opiniated theory.

like what?...when ya bash my sources of info. you are bashing the mainstream media....becasue thats where most of the stuff i post come from....come on deke just get over the" everyone who doesnt agree with the govts. fairy tales" is a kook...
do you believe the warren commision report on the jfk assasination? lone gunman ....magic bullet theory?.....80% of americans dont.....we all kooks?

[Deke]

Funny you should ask that... Ive actually seen a documentary recently on Discovery that spent a LONG time re-enacting everything that happened that day. They did all kinds of forensic tests as well. Guess what they found? Nothing to prove the conspiracies. Nothing. They actually found it very plausible that one man could have done it. Now, what this comes down to is the deep desire for people to WANT to believe something so badly, that theyll believe anything they hear despite seeing the evidence. Do I think everything the govt tells us is the truth? No. But do I believe a missle was launched from one of the hijacked planes on 9/11 right before it hit the tower? **** no, its ******** and you know it. And THAT my friend does not come from mainstream media. It comes from one of those sites you frequently link to. These links you send us, take us to some site run by guys that have no life other than trying to create lies to confuse people. Its garbage. If Im being deceived living in this country the way it is, then I dont give a ****.. Im happy living here and I enjoy my life. I dont need anarchy which is what some of those sites seem to want to create. Nothing they say is reasonable. Nothing. I have faith only in one thing, god. Not some jackmonkey with a computer, his own website, and oodles of time on his hands that is trying to convince me were all being led into the abyss by a bunch of devil worshipping, mind controlling, illuminatti freaks. I need scientific proof, I need to see the facts with my own eyes, not to be forced to take someone else's word for it. I dont see that from these sites, thus I have no faith in them. Dont take this the wrong way, because Ive always enjoyed our discussions and even though I disagree with you on some things I still think you have a great head on your shoulders. But sometimes I think your too smart for your own good. ;)

[kingmob]

well man i dont know how oswald shot him from the front....because the head shot that killed jfk came from the front ....only way possible .....the warren commision was a joke.....
ask yourself ...if the govt. can lie about jfk whats to keep them from lying about 911?
i dont know if a missile pod was on the plane or not.....and i dont really care....but i do know that there are wayyyyy too many questions the 911 whitewash commision didnt adress ....all the whitewash commision has done is offer up there police state recomendations.......natl. id card....more cameras.....more cops....more tyranny

[cartman00000001]

More cameras, more cops, more safety.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
More cameras, more cops, more safety.

more cops ....more cameras.....more control.....this isnt about keeping you and your family safe cartman.....this is about control.....so what are you gonna do when they mount a camera in your house for your SAFETY?....when did people in this country turn into such wimps where we rely on big brother for our safety? it is insane ......safety to me is the switch on my 9mm that keeps it from shooting

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
well man i dont know how oswald shot him from the front....because the head shot that killed jfk came from the front ....only way possible .....the warren commision was a joke.....
ask yourself ...if the govt. can lie about jfk whats to keep them from lying about 911?
i dont know if a missile pod was on the plane or not.....and i dont really care....but i do know that there are wayyyyy too many questions the 911 whitewash commision didnt adress ....all the whitewash commision has done is offer up there police state recomendations.......natl. id card....more cameras.....more cops....more tyranny

Like what? What questions havent been answered about 9/11 for you? People claiming Bush knew about it our just spouting pure lunacy. What could he possibly have to gain from that? An excuse to go after Iraq? Puhhhhhhllllleeeeeassssse. What is so hard to believe about a radical group of Muslim terrorists attacking America in response to our helping the thier chief enemy of Israel? So are all these beheadings set up by our govt as well? Was the first attempt on the WTC a set up too? If so, why didnt they do it RIGHT the first time? When you add it all up, it just doesnt make any sense. People WANT to believe something other than the truth happened. Its the nature of these people. BTW, Ive seen that supposed video of a missle going into tower before the plane's impact... garbage.. video editing that I could probably do on my home computer. Keeping an open mind is one thing, but believing everything and anything is another. As far as JFK goes, I wish I could remember the name of that documentary. It was great, they literally TRIED to prove the conspiracies correct but medical science kept getting in the way. This site might help shed a little light on these conspiracy lords. I found it digging through some JFK stuff on the internet.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm

The Warren Commission probably wasnt perfect, but the forensic science of today is.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Like what? What questions havent been answered about 9/11 for you? People claiming Bush knew about it our just spouting pure lunacy. What could he possibly have to gain from that? An excuse to go after Iraq? Puhhhhhhllllleeeeeassssse. What is so hard to believe about a radical group of Muslim terrorists attacking America in response to our helping the thier chief enemy of Israel? So are all these beheadings set up by our govt as well? Was the first attempt on the WTC a set up too? If so, why didnt they do it RIGHT the first time? When you add it all up, it just doesnt make any sense. People WANT to believe something other than the truth happened. Its the nature of these people. BTW, Ive seen that supposed video of a missle going into tower before the plane's impact... garbage.. video editing that I could probably do on my home computer. Keeping an open mind is one thing, but believing everything and anything is another. As far as JFK goes, I wish I could remember the name of that documentary. It was great, they literally TRIED to prove the conspiracies correct but medical science kept getting in the way. This site might help shed a little light on these conspiracy lords. I found it digging through some JFK stuff on the internet.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm

The Warren Commission probably wasnt perfect, but the forensic science of today is.

heres a few questions that werent answered by the ommision commision
1.Why in the months before Sept. 11 did FBI headquarters consistently obstruct field-agent investigations of potential terrorists or terrorist financiers?
2.Why were many detailed warnings from the intelligence services of Great Britain, Germany, Israel, Egypt, Russia and Italy ignored?
3.Why did the chief of Pakistani intelligence, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, approve more than $100,000 in wire transfers to alleged 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta prior to the attacks?
4.Why in the wake of the most cataclysmic intelligence and air-defense failures in American history have no government officials or Pentagon brass been held accountable?
5.Why in the one hour and 20 minutes after the onset of a multiple hijacking, with hundreds of people dead or dying in the Twin Towers and a third jet hurtling toward the nation's capital, did no U.S. Air Force, Navy or Air National Guard fighters defend the Pentagon?
6.Explore multiple NORAD and government agency exercises responding to plane attacks being carried out well before the attacks and in the period just before and during the events of September 11.
7.Why did condi rice say that none could imagine using planes as missiles when they were running drills on 911?
8. Why was fema in NY on Sept. 10th for a "drill"?
9.Why did Larry Silverstein say in a sept. 2002 PBS documentary"America Rebuilds" that they intentionaly "pulled" building 7...the building that wasnt hit by anything ?

thats a few questions i have.....i can think of many more too......

i dont think bush knew about it per se.....but i do think that he knew of the drills before 911 they were running and just thought it was another drill.....**** Cheney is who i think masterminded and carried it out with help from his neo-con buddies....

this country funded and created al-cia-ada....they were our buddies vs. the soviets and we used them in serbia to attack the serbs so the serbs would crack down on the muslims there.....which gave nato the excuse it needed to take out milosovic......

the first beheading video of nick berg was an odvious fake....it was timed to deflect critism of the torture scandal.....and to use as black propaganda against those evil towel heads...

heres a nytimes article from oct.28th 1993....talking about how the fbi was running emad salem the former egyptian army officer...

oct. 29 1993 nytimes (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html)

lol....your link to the jfk medical site is by the guy that did the alien autopsy.....i think your the one reading to much conspiracy theories on the internet
www.jfkii.com this is a great jfk doc. tying poppy bush to the cia hit team that killed jfk

[Deke]

No its not. Did you even read the site? It refuted MANY of the conspiracy claims and even talks about that alien autopsy guy. Why would the guy discredit himself? That makes no sense.

I quote from that site:

The expert the conspiracy books are always quoting is Cyril Wecht, forensic pathologist and long-time advocate of a conspiracy. Wecht is a competent forensic pathologist where the Kennedy assassination is not involved. Unfortunately the part of his book Cause of Death dealing with the assassination is awash in mistakes and inaccuracies. When Wecht appeared online on the Prodigy service in 1994, Dr. Robert Artwohl challenged him on several errors and misrepresentations in the book. Wecht failed to respond to any of Artwohl’s messages.

It then shows a picture with him taking part in that lame alien autopsy show, which I happened to watch by the way. That site does not in any way prove any of the conspiracy theories. Rather it refutes them with medical and scientific facts. The whole site is devoted to debunking the conspiracy folks. Trust me, Im no conspiracy theorist, I deal in fact, not fiction.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
heres a few questions that werent answered by the ommision commision
1.Why in the months before Sept. 11 did FBI headquarters consistently obstruct field-agent investigations of potential terrorists or terrorist financiers?
2.Why were many detailed warnings from the intelligence services of Great Britain, Germany, Israel, Egypt, Russia and Italy ignored?
3.Why did the chief of Pakistani intelligence, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, approve more than $100,000 in wire transfers to alleged 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta prior to the attacks?
4.Why in the wake of the most cataclysmic intelligence and air-defense failures in American history have no government officials or Pentagon brass been held accountable?
5.Why in the one hour and 20 minutes after the onset of a multiple hijacking, with hundreds of people dead or dying in the Twin Towers and a third jet hurtling toward the nation's capital, did no U.S. Air Force, Navy or Air National Guard fighters defend the Pentagon?
6.Explore multiple NORAD and government agency exercises responding to plane attacks being carried out well before the attacks and in the period just before and during the events of September 11.
7.Why did condi rice say that none could imagine using planes as missiles when they were running drills on 911?
8. Why was fema in NY on Sept. 10th for a "drill"?
9.Why did Larry Silverstein say in a sept. 2002 PBS documentary"America Rebuilds" that they intentionaly "pulled" building 7...the building that wasnt hit by anything ?

thats a few questions i have.....i can think of many more too......

i dont think bush knew about it per se.....but i do think that he knew of the drills before 911 they were running and just thought it was another drill.....**** Cheney is who i think masterminded and carried it out with help from his neo-con buddies....

this country funded and created al-cia-ada....they were our buddies vs. the soviets and we used them in serbia to attack the serbs so the serbs would crack down on the muslims there.....which gave nato the excuse it needed to take out milosovic......

the first beheading video of nick berg was an odvious fake....it was timed to deflect critism of the torture scandal.....and to use as black propaganda against those evil towel heads...

heres a nytimes article from oct.28th 1993....talking about how the fbi was running emad salem the former egyptian army officer...

oct. 29 1993 nytimes (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html)

lol....your link to the jfk medical site is by the guy that did the alien autopsy.....i think your the one reading to much conspiracy theories on the internet
www.jfkii.com this is a great jfk doc. tying poppy bush to the cia hit team that killed jfk


Also, on those questions you said youd ask.... wheres the proof backing ANY of those? Ive never heard ONE of those being claimed as fact in the media. And believe me, with the media running like crazy to get Bush out of office right now, I can guarantee wed have heard that stuff. Again, I think all that info is not based on fact, but rather on conspiracy theory sites. I want proof, not theory. It goes back to my faith argument. I have no faith in someones theory.

[Deke]

And your NY Times article. Again, who the **** is Ralph Blumenthal and where is his proof. Faith my friend, faith. I have none. When do I, or you for that matter, believe the NY Times anyway?

And a healthy tidbit from that article near the end.....

Cheney Links Saddam to '93 World Trade Center Attack
Friday, July 2, 2004

Speaking in New Orleans on Thursday, Vice President **** Cheney drew direct connection between Iraq and al Qaida's efforts to destroy the World Trade Center, noting that one of the key operatives in the first attack on the Twin Towers was granted sanctuary by Saddam Hussein.

"After the 1993 World Trade Center attack, Iraq gave sanctuary to one of the bombers, Abdul Rahman Yasin," Cheney told a gathering at the city's D-Day Museum. [NewsMax]

If the above is true then why didn't the U.S. go after Iraq following the 1993 WTC bombings?

Answer to the above question?

3000+ lives vs. 6 lives.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... i wonder why? That and President Bill and his inability to hold anyone accountable for any of their actions. Fact is, theres been more people beheaded in the last couple months than those 6 lives, yet were not supposed to be in Iraq according to **** near half this country. Go figure.

[Deke]

By the way, have you actually read the full 9/11 commission report?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
No its not. Did you even read the site? It refuted MANY of the conspiracy claims and even talks about that alien autopsy guy. Why would the guy discredit himself? That makes no sense.

I quote from that site:

The expert the conspiracy books are always quoting is Cyril Wecht, forensic pathologist and long-time advocate of a conspiracy. Wecht is a competent forensic pathologist where the Kennedy assassination is not involved. Unfortunately the part of his book Cause of Death dealing with the assassination is awash in mistakes and inaccuracies. When Wecht appeared online on the Prodigy service in 1994, Dr. Robert Artwohl challenged him on several errors and misrepresentations in the book. Wecht failed to respond to any of Artwohl’s messages.

It then shows a picture with him taking part in that lame alien autopsy show, which I happened to watch by the way. That site does not in any way prove any of the conspiracy theories. Rather it refutes them with medical and scientific facts. The whole site is devoted to debunking the conspiracy folks. Trust me, Im no conspiracy theorist, I deal in fact, not fiction.

that is your opininion deke and i respect it.....but.....i believe a cia hit team connected to operation zapata(name of bush sr.'s oil company).....killed jfk....this hit team was ran by e. howard hunt and was put together to kill castro...but they killed jfk

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Also, on those questions you said youd ask.... wheres the proof backing ANY of those? Ive never heard ONE of those being claimed as fact in the media. And believe me, with the media running like crazy to get Bush out of office right now, I can guarantee wed have heard that stuff. Again, I think all that info is not based on fact, but rather on conspiracy theory sites. I want proof, not theory. It goes back to my faith argument. I have no faith in someones theory.

the media is not after bush...the media is pro bush.....the media is complicit in 911....well look into those questions yourself and come to your own conclusions.....911 was commited to sieze power and wage war

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
And your NY Times article. Again, who the **** is Ralph Blumenthal and where is his proof. Faith my friend, faith. I have none. When do I, or you for that matter, believe the NY Times anyway?

And a healthy tidbit from that article near the end.....

Cheney Links Saddam to '93 World Trade Center Attack
Friday, July 2, 2004

Speaking in New Orleans on Thursday, Vice President **** Cheney drew direct connection between Iraq and al Qaida's efforts to destroy the World Trade Center, noting that one of the key operatives in the first attack on the Twin Towers was granted sanctuary by Saddam Hussein.

"After the 1993 World Trade Center attack, Iraq gave sanctuary to one of the bombers, Abdul Rahman Yasin," Cheney told a gathering at the city's D-Day Museum. [NewsMax]

If the above is true then why didn't the U.S. go after Iraq following the 1993 WTC bombings?

Answer to the above question?

3000+ lives vs. 6 lives.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... i wonder why? That and President Bill and his inability to hold anyone accountable for any of their actions. Fact is, theres been more people beheaded in the last couple months than those 6 lives, yet were not supposed to be in Iraq according to **** near half this country. Go figure.

the first wtc bombing in 93 was a fbi sting operation that they let run......ralph blumenthal wrote the article in 93.....again i challenge you to do some research yourself

the second story is an odvious lie from "bigtime" **** cheney

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
By the way, have you actually read the full 9/11 commission report?

i watched them in action on cspan and i have no interest in reading there hogswill they are trying to pass as fact....every member of that commision is a cfr member.....remember they tried to apoint kissinger to head the commision first ...but the uproar was deafening so they got thomas kean

Kissinger Resigns As
Head of 911 Commission
12-13-2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger stepped down on Friday as chairman of a commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House announced.
"It is with regret that I accept Dr. Kissinger's decision to step down as chairman of the National Commission to investigate the events of Sept. 11 2001 and the years that led up to that event," President Bush said in a statement.
Kissinger had been criticized over possible conflicts of interest.

kean has business ties to saudis via delta oil.....its laughable and i wouldnt spend a dime on that rubbish

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
the media is not after bush...the media is pro bush.....the media is complicit in 911....well look into those questions yourself and come to your own conclusions.....911 was commited to sieze power and wage war

LOL ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? THE MEDIA IS PRO BUSH!? Man you must never watch TV. Oh, Rather must have really been trying to HELP Bush. ;)

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
that is your opininion deke and i respect it.....but.....i believe a cia hit team connected to operation zapata(name of bush sr.'s oil company).....killed jfk....this hit team was ran by e. howard hunt and was put together to kill castro...but they killed jfk

Agreed... were both definetly entitled to our opinions and I completely respect yours as well. We debate, but we do it on non abusive terms which is the only way intelligent debate should be conducted. :)

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
i watched them in action on cspan and i have no interest in reading there hogswill they are trying to pass as fact....every member of that commision is a cfr member.....remember they tried to apoint kissinger to head the commision first ...but the uproar was deafening so they got thomas kean

Kissinger Resigns As
Head of 911 Commission
12-13-2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger stepped down on Friday as chairman of a commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House announced.
"It is with regret that I accept Dr. Kissinger's decision to step down as chairman of the National Commission to investigate the events of Sept. 11 2001 and the years that led up to that event," President Bush said in a statement.
Kissinger had been criticized over possible conflicts of interest.

kean has business ties to saudis via delta oil.....its laughable and i wouldnt spend a dime on that rubbish

I only said that, because I have read it, and I feel it explains ALOT of our countries failures before 9/11 and answers alot of those types of questions you asked.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
the first wtc bombing in 93 was a fbi sting operation that they let run......ralph blumenthal wrote the article in 93.....again i challenge you to do some research yourself

the second story is an odvious lie from "bigtime" **** cheney

Yet the second story came directly from your link and source.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
LOL ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? THE MEDIA IS PRO BUSH!? Man you must never watch TV. Oh, Rather must have really been trying to HELP Bush. ;)

he sure did...i didnt hear a peep about iraq while rathergate was going on....its theatre

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Agreed... were both definetly entitled to our opinions and I completely respect yours as well. We debate, but we do it on non abusive terms which is the only way intelligent debate should be conducted. :)

thats what happens when you leave emotion out of it.....thats why 911 was such a good psy-ops.....it played off of pure emotion and then pure hatred.....it was like the 2 min. of hate from 1984.....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Yet the second story came directly from your link and source.

the egyptian army guy taped his fbi handlers because he knew he was being set up as a patsy.....there are audio tapes

[cartman00000001]

****, I missing all the fun! Haven't been on, too busy with my new guitar. Got my dream guitar, a PRS McCarty ten-top with the bird inlays. A great sounding guitar at a great price...thank you Sweetwater!

Oh, 1 more thing. I would like to address 2 of my pet peeves. 1 is quoting. I hate when someone quotes AN ENTIRE POST, especially when it's a long one. 2, the support our troops sticker that people put on crooked. It's everywhere!!!

[kingmob]

cool man so can you play freebird? yeah i hate that support our troops stickers too.....too me its mindless stateism.....our troops are dying in large numbers and our media says nothing......they are also all contaminated with DU.....i feel sorry for all the children they have that are going to be severely birth defected

[cartman00000001]

Freebird? na, not me. The other guitarist in my band can play all the Lynard Skynrd stuff. I like to stick to Opeth myself. I didn't say I didn't like the stickers, just when they put it on crooked. Annoys me to no end.

[williethebasset]

King, I think that you are handling this argument with Deke beyond my expectations, you'd make a great politician.

[Deke]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, I think that you are handling this argument with Deke beyond my expectations, you'd make a great politician.

LOL, Im not so sure hed want to be one.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
King, I think that you are handling this argument with Deke beyond my expectations, you'd make a great politician.

i dunno man i think i would have to join skull n bones to be president.......the system is rigged so that the incumbents keep in office.....now with there special voting machines we for sure know the game is rigged

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
LOL, Im not so sure hed want to be one.

i would be killed just like wellstone got wacked.....he was threatened by cheney over the patriot act before his plane malfuction

[williethebasset]

He was a lighting rod because of what he believed in. Rush Limbaugh called him Senator Welfare because he believed that there were more people in need than people that abused the system.

I'd say 65% need the help, 35% abuse it.

[kingmob]

my favorite quote of paul wellstone was"i'm for the little fellers, not the rockefellers!"....he was murdered

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
i dunno man i think i would have to join skull n bones to be president.......the system is rigged so that the incumbents keep in office.....now with there special voting machines we for sure know the game is rigged

If Kerry wins this election, Im gonna get ya on this one. ;)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
If Kerry wins this election, Im gonna get ya on this one. ;)

whatever deke ....kerry just may get elected just because he has more europeon royal blood than lord bush has.....there cousins ya know....theres no difference between these guys....same agenda.....different rhetoric