Anyone know about cars?

[williethebasset]

I'm starting to look at buying my first car, (actually, my mom's buying it for me) but it needs to be less then $15,000, be safe, and have enough room for me, it also needs to be reliable.

[kingmob]

check out safety ratings....the most dangerous thing we all do is drive

[michaelg123789]

Well it depends if it's brand new your talking about.

Personally, I'd go with a 2002 or '03 Chevy Malibu. Especially the one's with a 3.1L, 191 V6. Definately stay away from the 3.8, since everything runs off the timing chain, you might be regreting it VERY soon. :D

The 02/03 Malibu's are a great mix of solid fuel economy, strong low end torque (Horsepower, baby! ;)), and a smooth ride.

As a suggestion, I would shy away from the ones with Satelitte tracking in them. I've heard a few horror stories about who can actually track you, and what it's being used for. ;)

Stick with the 01, 02, or 03 and you will not regret it.

[kingmob]

dont get that onstar shiite either......it has a cellphone embedded for use as a mic.......onstar also has the power to unlock your doors not too mention the gps tracker.....also cars are coming with black boxes that record driving speeds and mileage

[michaelg123789]

Not to jump on any conspiracy bandwagon, but I've heard about that "Black Box" thing as well.

Some guy rolled up to a gas station to buy his gas, and had his card rejected because there were $1600 in fee's on it. :eek:

[Hash1]

Originally posted by kingmob
onstar also has the power to unlock your doors

You know that does come in handy for people that get locked out of there car...

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Hash1
You know that does come in handy for people that get locked out of there car...

thats like saying rfid embedded ID is more convenient so you can traverse through checkpoints faster.....just get a magnet and hide a key under the fender....sheesh

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
thats like saying rfid embedded ID is more convenient so you can traverse through checkpoints faster.....just get a magnet and hide a key under the fender....sheesh

Well, now you know why your car wil be missing in the morning.:p

Or you can have a keypad on the door.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
Well it depends if it's brand new your talking about.

Personally, I'd go with a 2002 or '03 Chevy Malibu. Especially the one's with a 3.1L, 191 V6. Definately stay away from the 3.8, since everything runs off the timing chain, you might be regreting it VERY soon. :D

The 02/03 Malibu's are a great mix of solid fuel economy, strong low end torque (Horsepower, baby! ;)), and a smooth ride.

As a suggestion, I would shy away from the ones with Satelitte tracking in them. I've heard a few horror stories about who can actually track you, and what it's being used for. ;)

Stick with the 01, 02, or 03 and you will not regret it.

Too expensive to buy a new car. I like this car.

I'm looking at used cars.
Crown Victoria (http://edmunds.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=166867530&dealer_id=11503797&car_year=1998&make=FORD&distance=25&max_price=15000&model=CROWNVIC&sort_type=distance&advcd_on=n&end_year=2005&min_price=&address=01473&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1997&=&color=&cardist=8)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
check out safety ratings....the most dangerous thing we all do is drive

Thats what I did first. My friend is in critical condition right now from a motorcycle crash. He hit a car, flew into the car, and then into a tree. He hit a firefighters car thank god, and was treated at the scene. Within half an hour he was on a helicopter, otherwise he probobly would have died.

I'm never going to ride a motorcycle, drive a sports car, or a small car.

I've ruled my choices down to full size American Sedans... Lincoln LS, Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car, and Ford Crown Victoria. I would have a Chrysler 300 on that list, but they cost too much.

[michaelg123789]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I've ruled my choices down to full size American Sedans... Lincoln LS, Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car, and Ford Crown Victoria. I would have a Chrysler 300 on that list, but they cost too much.
All Fords, all very safe, all about as good on gas as an Abrams tank :D

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
All Fords, all very safe, all about as good on gas as an Abrams tank :D

Yeah, my mom hydroplaned in her explorer and spun around 920 degrees. She was going 55 MPH and the only thing for damage was the front fender and the back fender and a broker tail-light.

[cartman00000001]

A question to think about. If you buy a tank like that, wouldn't you be contributing more to the whole "Bush-Saudi" conspiracy? If you talk the talk, you got to walk the walk. You can buy new and still be uder 15,000. My friend likes Ford Focuses (He's got 2 a zx3 and an SVT) he loves them. I'm sure a Honda Civic can't be much more than 15.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
A question to think about. If you buy a tank like that, wouldn't you be contributing more to the whole "Bush-Saudi" conspiracy? If you talk the talk, you got to walk the walk. You can buy new and still be uder 15,000. My friend likes Ford Focuses (He's got 2 a zx3 and an SVT) he loves them. I'm sure a Honda Civic can't be much more than 15.

I need a safe car. Those cars are too small.

[cartman00000001]

small? I know we live in an SUV world, but I wouldn't worry about it. Actually, small cars can get you out of tighter situations than a tank.

[kingmob]

not true.....you get t-boned by a suburban in a honda you're gonna be in a world of hurt

[cartman00000001]

But you never answered my question. You would be contributing to the things you hate the most. You can't have it both ways. Either you go full on 100% or you, for a lack of a better phrase, give in. I mean, I can cry that I haven't won the lottery yet, but I also don't play the lottery, so I shouldn't complain. You know what I mean? Drive a Prius, save the world.

[kingmob]

well the world oligarchs are hording oil and let it trickle out to create false scarcity....the same with diamonds....its true the nwo has a stranglehold on world oil supplies....and now there choking us.....also inflation is causing oil to increase in price.....theres plenty of oil out there....what i wanna know is why are we shipping alaskan oil to japan and china....when we need it

[cartman00000001]

I still don't have my answer. I have another question. What kind of car do you drive, Kingmob? Are you contributing to those things that you hate?

[kingmob]

i believe in the freedom to drive what ya want....i have a mustang....
i'm no green party.... tree hugging ......gaia worshipping enviro wack-o.....theres plenty of oil out there thats why they are seizing middle east oil fields
....with the suppressed technologies out there .....hydrogen....electric...... solar....whatever high tech propulsion systems that i couldnt even fathom.....one problem....there is no profit in alternative fuels.....thats why we still drive petroleum powered internal combustion engines.....so i say drive what ya want or can afford

[cartman00000001]

OK, let me get this right then. You have no problem putting down your 20 or 25 bucks (depending on where you live) to fill the tank with gas KNOWING FULL WELL WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO? You see, I look at that as a contradiction. If I buy a new computer, one that I know did not get good reviews, how can I justify complaining about it when I know the PC stunk? OK, back in March or April the gas prices started going through the roof. I was sick and tired of paying 100-120 a week on my gas guzzler (an Xterra) Instead of saying "that's the nature of the beast" I did something about it and got one that's a lot better (a Mazda 3) I was actually going to get the Escape hybrid, but my wife hitting somthing on the road nessesitated and quicker solution. The Esacapes are supposed to come out this fall, but just couldn't wait. So you see, if you REALLY believe that the oil thing is out of hand, get something better on gas. If you thing Prius owners are just tree huggers, or whatever you said, you could always try like the Neon SRT. It's plenty fast, and although I'm not a big fan of them, you seem like the type that likes to take people out on occasion (like I do) you could have the best of both worlds. There are 2 types of people at a game; ones who watch, cheer, complain, and WISH they were out there, and those who ARE out there.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
OK, let me get this right then. You have no problem putting down your 20 or 25 bucks (depending on where you live) to fill the tank with gas KNOWING FULL WELL WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO?

Only 20 or 25 to fill it? Filling the SUV's of the family ranges from $36 to $50 every time.

[cartman00000001]

no, no, no filling the Mustang that he has. I think the Xterra has an 18 gallon tank. Of course, you never let it get down too far but I think I maxed out at $30 one time. The truck doesn't require Super, and if it doesn't require it, you don't put it in.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
small? I know we live in an SUV world, but I wouldn't worry about it. Actually, small cars can get you out of tighter situations than a tank.

The safety ratings are only relevent to cars within 250 lbs of the tested weight. The car companies like it because they can compare the safety rating of a VW Bug to a Ford Crown Victoria.

[cartman00000001]

I think you missed my point. What I meant was smaller cars have a couple of advantages. 1 usually, they stop better. I don't have numbers, but I'm sure they are better than most. 2, they handle better. I love taking offramps with the person in an Explorer thinking he's driving a Ferrari and wasting him. So if let's say there's a "panic stop" on the highway (happened to me today) you can stop better, plus, if nessesary, you can manuver you way out. Getting out of a situation is WAY better than getting hit. The best way is to avoid it, obviously. So technically, you could have a car with the worst rating and if you never get hit, the point is moot.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
I think you missed my point. What I meant was smaller cars have a couple of advantages. 1 usually, they stop better. I don't have numbers, but I'm sure they are better than most. 2, they handle better. I love taking offramps with the person in an Explorer thinking he's driving a Ferrari and wasting him. So if let's say there's a "panic stop" on the highway (happened to me today) you can stop better, plus, if nessesary, you can manuver you way out. Getting out of a situation is WAY better than getting hit. The best way is to avoid it, obviously. So technically, you could have a car with the worst rating and if you never get hit, the point is moot.

Well yeah. But a bigger car is better to be in if you can't avoid an accident, especially in New England where it is best to have a heavy car that grips the road. If a car can't stop, hits you on the side in an intersection, its much better to be in a large car. Large cars are also safer when ones car makes contact with a tree at high speeds. Have you ever been on Route 2? The trees are 8 feet away from the highway and they are huge. The worst stretch of Route 2 is the hill right after going through leominster between Westminster, though its been improved by my congressman and his pork barrel project:D But there is no breakdown lane.

[cartman00000001]

ha ha..my boss just today got a ticket on route 2!! There are problems with the big car theory. First, how many trees are you planning on hitting? I've been driving since 1987 and I havent hit one yet (knock on wood) Second, that car your looking at is rear wheel drive. Ever drive one in snow? You wished you hadn't. Beyond awful. Some even say front wheel drive is better than 4 wheel drive, but I don't buy that. That car also doesn't have any kind of traction control. That car you picked is maybe the worst snow car there is.

[kingmob]

well thats all fine and dandy cartman i'll just run out and get an arse raping loan from the local bankster who will charge me interest on money they create out of thin air.......the oil industry is a monopoly that we cant do much about other than boycott them....i see your point but the reality is there is tons of oil out there its being doled out to keep prices up.....i cant afford to go out and plunk 20k on a car right now.....and i refuse to ever get a loan from the banksters(it just encourages them)

[cartman00000001]

never going to get a loan, huh? Then my friend, you are in trouble.

[kingmob]

why am i in trouble? the people in debt up to there eyeballs are the ones in trouble.....heres a great article i found
america in deep doodoo (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE2/doodoo.html)

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
well thats all fine and dandy cartman i'll just run out and get an arse raping loan from the local bankster who will charge me interest on money they create out of thin air.......the oil industry is a monopoly that we cant do much about other than boycott them....i see your point but the reality is there is tons of oil out there its being doled out to keep prices up.....i cant afford to go out and plunk 20k on a car right now.....and i refuse to ever get a loan from the banksters(it just encourages them)

The money doesnt come out of thin air. It comes out of bank accounts with more than $100,000

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
ha ha..my boss just today got a ticket on route 2!! There are problems with the big car theory. First, how many trees are you planning on hitting? I've been driving since 1987 and I havent hit one yet (knock on wood) Second, that car your looking at is rear wheel drive. Ever drive one in snow? You wished you hadn't. Beyond awful. Some even say front wheel drive is better than 4 wheel drive, but I don't buy that. That car also doesn't have any kind of traction control. That car you picked is maybe the worst snow car there is.

Well, you never know, there are only 2 lanes to maneuver in. All trucks and SUV's are rear wheel drive with an option of 4 wheel drive. I think that the Crown Victoria is heavy enough to stay in the snow, the same way a Mercedes is.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
The money doesnt come out of thin air. It comes out of bank accounts with more than $100,000

your wrong....the banks create money out of thin air its called fractional reserve banking.....what would happen if 15% of the people demanded there money at one time.....answer is that the bank would run

[williethebasset]

Well, when a loan is taken out for a house, the value is taken from the house.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Well, when a loan is taken out for a house, the value is taken from the house.

nooooo when you get a house loan from your local bankster ....the bank can lend out 90% of deposits....so if you put in $100 the bank can legaly lend out $900...this is money out of nothing......now when you borrow say 100k of fractional reserve money from the bank.....you are paying the bank back full face value + interest......only flaw in this system is that since the bank is only liable to keep 10% in the bank to satisfy daily business......if 15-20% wanted there money out of the bank the bank would go bankrupt.......every car, house, and other big purchase loans and credit card debt is all created money out of debt....and we are in debt up to our eyeballs ....did you read that article a few posts back?

[kingmob]

.....and also the bank owns all that property it has lended money out to purchase.....so when your job gets outsourced to india and the bank forecloses on your house you are shiite out luck......all you ended up doing was slaving away to pay the bank your whole life until the rug gets pulled out from under you and you cant pay anymore.....i will never take a bank loan

[cartman00000001]

well, if that's the case, be prepared to rent all your life, which mean you will pay someone so they can pay their mortgage. Also, be prepared to own used cars all you life which means you will have no idea what that car went through before you own it. Now in some cases, be prepared to let that used car nickel and dime you to death. Mufflers, calipers, starters, timing belt/chain. Hope you good with a wrench!!

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
well, if that's the case, be prepared to rent all your life, which mean you will pay someone so they can pay their mortgage. Also, be prepared to own used cars all you life which means you will have no idea what that car went through before you own it. Now in some cases, be prepared to let that used car nickel and dime you to death. Mufflers, calipers, starters, timing belt/chain. Hope you good with a wrench!!

Actually some people do have the resources AND the patience to wait until they have enough money saved up to actually PAY for something...I know that is contrary to the American way now...but nevertheless some people are truly "old school" :)

[cartman00000001]

you know, your right. But we can't be all like Donald Trump!
:D

[kingmob]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
well, if that's the case, be prepared to rent all your life, which mean you will pay someone so they can pay their mortgage. Also, be prepared to own used cars all you life which means you will have no idea what that car went through before you own it. Now in some cases, be prepared to let that used car nickel and dime you to death. Mufflers, calipers, starters, timing belt/chain. Hope you good with a wrench!!

cartman to me a car is a car is a car.....yes i admit i'm not a mindless yuppie with a 300k house and two 35k cars and maxed out credit cards.....i will not be a slave to the bank or other assorted money-changers and alchemists....with inflation the way its going and the tenuous credit situation this country is in i would bet that sometime in the near future a couple onze gold coins would buy a corvette or 5-6 coins for a house.....there will be plenty of bargains out there when the bank forecloses and repos the yuppies houses and toys......get out of debt and out of the stock market is what i try to warn people to do

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
cartman to me a car is a car is a car.....yes i admit i'm not a mindless yuppie with a 300k house and two 35k cars and maxed out credit cards.....i will not be a slave to the bank or other assorted money-changers and alchemists....with inflation the way its going and the tenuous credit situation this country is in i would bet that sometime in the near future a couple onze gold coins would buy a corvette or 5-6 coins for a house.....there will be plenty of bargains out there when the bank forecloses and repos the yuppies houses and toys......get out of debt and out of the stock market is what i try to warn people to do

A $300,000 house wont get you **** in boston. Its way worse in Massachusetts.

http://www.realtor.com/Prop/1040079347?lnksrc=00045

I floor ranch 3 beds 2 baths, 1,400 square feet. Thats 15 miles from boston.

My dad just bought a house, 5 beds 3.5 baths 3,500 square feet. Guess how much? He's 30 miles out.

[kingmob]

housing prices are way over inflated......the housing bubble will burst

[williethebasset]

$740,000

He knows the bubble is going to burst.

The best way to buy a car is take out a home equity loan.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
$740,000

He knows the bubble is going to burst.

The best way to buy a car is take out a home equity loan.

no it isnt....best way to buy a car is cash.....you will always get a better price when you have cash

[williethebasset]

Back to the topic of Car safety...

What is safer, a large sedan ( a crwon victoria) or a small sedan (Honda Civic)?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Back to the topic of Car safety...

What is safer, a large sedan ( a crwon victoria) or a small sedan (Honda Civic)?

the crown vic because of laws of physics ...its bigger

[Scorey1974]

What kills more..?....Cars or guns?....If it's cars then should we have car-control? :D

Or how about fast-food...since it causes so many health problems should we have fast-food control?

Where are the outcries for outlawing cars and fast-food?

[williethebasset]

Car crashes are car accidents

Drive-bys are intentional.

Thats how the gun haters look at it.

Also, most car accidents can be prevented by people NOT eating, talking on their cell phone, or doing something else.

Fast food all comes down to personal responsibility. If you don't want to be fat eat healthy food and excercise regularly.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Fast food all comes down to personal responsibility.

OMG...Did I see a liberal write the phrase "personal responsibility"???

That's what it comes down to with the guns too...;)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
OMG...Did I see a liberal write the phrase "personal responsibility"???

That's what it comes down to with the guns too...;)

lol ...exactly a gun is a hunk of metal that takes a organism with opposable thumbs to operate.....i think chimps should be banned from owning guns

just watch the movie supersize me and you will never eat that garbage again

[Deke]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
OMG...Did I see a liberal write the phrase "personal responsibility"???

That's what it comes down to with the guns too...;)

LOL, thats what we call an oxymoron. :)

[cartman00000001]

Man, it all depends of who you ask. Tough question

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
OMG...Did I see a liberal write the phrase "personal responsibility"???

That's what it comes down to with the guns too...;)

I'm a conservative democrat or left leaning moderate depending on which spin you want to put on it.

A year ago I was a diehard liberal and didnt know **** about this country. I've worked, and I just see personal responsibility a lot more than most people my age do.

[Scorey1974]

Originally posted by williethebasset
I'm a conservative democrat or left leaning moderate depending on which spin you want to put on it.

A year ago I was a diehard liberal and didnt know **** about this country. I've worked, and I just see personal responsibility a lot more than most people my age do.

That is a very good trait to have an an early age...Seriously, I hope that stays with you all your life.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by Scorey1974
That is a very good trait to have an an early age...Seriously, I hope that stays with you all your life.


It will.

To quote Kingmob:

"Once you wake up, you can never to back to sleep."

Its 100% true.