This is something I don't want to see

[cartman00000001]

This is from Yahoo's web site. I hope they can do something about this. Last thing we need to see in a close election.


LAS VEGAS — Broke, disabled and living at the Daisy Motel in downtown Las Vegas, Tyrone Mrasek Sr. took a temporary job late this summer registering voters here.

The employer primarily wanted President Bush (news - web sites) supporters, but they were not easy to find. So Mrasek handed out cigarettes to drunks and ex-felons at a homeless shelter in exchange for signatures. Later he found a stack of signed registrations for Democratic voters in a trash can outside the company's office, he recalled.


"They had some shady things going on," Mrasek said.


Partisan registration drives have swept through battleground states such as Nevada, Ohio and New Mexico. Hundreds of thousands of new registrations have poured into county and state offices and strained the systems in these states.


But as workers closely examined some forms, they found clear cases of fraud. In some instances, stacks of registrations had the same handwriting. In others, names were lifted from phone books and signatures forged. And many of the new registrations were duplicates of already registered voters.


Financed by political parties, wealthy advocacy groups and grass-roots organizations, liberal and conservative organizations have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to register voters. The crush, along with the irregular registrations, have bred chaos across the nation.


"We were getting stacks of forms with identical handwriting," said Harvard L. Lomax, registrar of voters in Clark County here. "We were getting calls from people wanting to know why they were getting registration forms when they hadn't asked for one. If you went to a DMV office over the last five months, you were mobbed by people trying to register you, claiming they were working for us. It was obvious it was fraud."


The presidential outcome is expected to be very close, and voter registration fraud could well become this year's hanging chad. If so, it will be an issue that the losing party can seize upon to argue in the courts that the election was flawed.


After the disputed 2000 presidential election, new federal rules were supposed to ensure that registration lists were more accurate and current. Congress passed the Help America Vote Act in 2002, requiring every state to have a computerized statewide registration list that would be instantly updated with each new registration.


But 37 states have failed to meet the new standards and sought waivers from the federal government, said Rebecca Vigil-Giron, secretary of state in New Mexico and president of the association that represents other secretaries.


"A lot of states do not have good data systems," she said.


California officials are relying on an older registration computer system but hope to have a new list by 2006 that complies with federal law. It will cost $40 million to implement, said Tony Miller, special counsel to the secretary of state.


Many state officials acknowledge that their systems and laws need to be tightened. Under Oregon law, for example, outside organizations can hire temporary workers and pay them for each new registration. In Nevada, temporary workers may be paid by the hour but not for individual registrations.


"You are creating incentives for fraud if you pay by the signature," said Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury.


In Alabama, counties have a big backlog of last-minute registrations, and discrepancies in the records have left them unsure how many voters are on the rolls. Last week, Anita Tatum, director of the office of voter registration, resigned after she could not explain the discrepancies.


In Ohio, the Republican Party is challenging about 25,000 new registrations. David Beckwith, a GOP spokesman in Ohio, said there were a number of "Democratic front groups" holding registration drives in the region and that "the fraud accusations have been worse than in 40 years."


He said multiple Democratic registration forms were signed "in the same hand," Democratic signatures were traded for "cash or crack cocaine," and a woman's husband, dead for 20 years, was registered in the Cleveland area.

"This has been sloppy and haphazard," Beckwith said.

Liberal groups such as America Coming Together, formed in 2003 with 300,000 donors, amassed a $125-million budget for registering voters, spokeswoman Sara Leonard said. Much of the money flowed down to local organizations that hired temporary workers. Another liberal group, America Votes, a coalition of 33 organizations led by powerful unions and environmental groups, built up a $400-million budget, part of which went to registrations.

Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) has funded one company at the center of allegations, Voter Outreach of America Inc., which is active in Las Vegas and across the nation. It was set up by Nathan Sproul, former chairman of the Arizona Republican Party.

Mrasek, who is disabled with emphysema, said he and his son spotted a newspaper ad for the Sproul group. The younger Mrasek, who also is disabled and lives with his father at the Daisy Motel, bowed out when he learned the emphasis was to register GOP voters.

His father took the Sproul job, which paid about $8 an hour and allowed workers to go home early with full pay on days they managed to register 18 Republicans.

Mrasek said he was given a written script to ask people whether they favored Bush or Sen. John F. Kerry (news, bio, voting record). To those favoring the Massachusetts senator, Mrasek replied that he was just taking a poll and thanked them for stopping.

But for those who liked Bush, Mrasek offered to register them. "George Bush (news - web sites) really needs your help this election," he said he was told to say.

In predominantly Democratic Las Vegas, however, Mrasek had a hard time finding unregistered Republicans, he said. One day, he registered himself and his son as Republicans to meet his quota, though he opposes Bush's Iraq (news - web sites) policies and plans to vote for Kerry.

Eric Russell, another temporary employee for the project, also alleged that he saw Democratic Party registrations thrown in the trash. With legal assistance from the Democratic Party, he went to court and tried, unsuccessfully, to reopen registration.

Russell, a Republican who now plans to vote for Kerry, also gave authorities a copy of the written sales pitch, which said, in part, "Use your training to find likely Republicans."

Sproul denied the allegations. He said he fired Russell and then sued him, alleging he and the company had been slandered.

"Our goal was to register as many supporters of President Bush as we could. However, we gave very strict instructions to everybody associated with us that we had a zero tolerance policy if anybody was destroying, tampering or altering registration forms," he said, adding that his project turned in more than 500 Democratic registrations in Nevada.

Meanwhile, Republicans say the Democratic registrations submitted by liberal groups are tainted.

Brian Scroggins, chairman of the Clark County Republican Party, said his organization spot-checked some of the new Democratic registration forms and found that "the first three we looked at" carried home addresses that actually were vacant lots.

"Sure we're upset," Scroggins said.

But Sproul also has run into trouble in Oregon, where Secretary of State Bradbury opened an investigation this month into allegations from three Sproul employees that the organization had destroyed Democratic registrations, a felony.

And in West Virginia, Lisa Bragg, the mother of two teenagers desperate for a job, decided against working for Sproul after seeing a written sales script that flatly declared, "The goal is to register Republicans."

"It was dishonest," said Bragg. "I didn't want to hide in the bushes and not sign up Democrats."

An admitted Democrat, she called the pay "dirty money."

With so much acrimony among party officials across the country, local elections officials feel the heat.

"Government officials are certainly under the gun," said Lomax, the Clark County registrar. "Nobody wants to be the next Florida. If you are in a swing state like we are and there is a close vote, there will be litigation."

[kingmob]

ive heard of voter fraud all across the country ...i think they are doing it on purpose so when W steals the election the ABB fanatics will raise holy **** and riot....perfect excuse for martial law crackdown.....not to mention all the fema drills setup for election day....i think it will be ugly

[cartman00000001]

I think this is BOTH parties doing this. It's really too bad. We've always had confidence in the system.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
I think this is BOTH parties doing this. It's really too bad. We've always had confidence in the system.

it is both parties doing it.....both candidates are the same....i used to have confidence in the system till i figured out that it was a rigged game meant to give americans the illusion they vote for the prez.....if it was a true democratic process then the libertarian and constitution party candidates would have been involved in the debates......instead we got a dual press conference....they wouldnt dare do anything that would challenge there grip on this 2 party dictatorship we have shoved down our throats.....and frankly it tastes like shite and im sick and tired of it.....I'M MAD AS **** AND I WILL NOT TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

[williethebasset]

The consitution party wants to use the bible to make laws in this country.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
The consitution party wants to use the bible to make laws in this country.

no they dont....they wanna use the constitution to make laws....since we have a plethora of unconstitutional laws

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
no they dont....they wanna use the constitution to make laws....since we have a plethora of unconstitutional laws


Join the Constitution Party in its work to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundation.

It says that right on their website.

What are the unconstitutional laws besides the Patriot act?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
It says that right on their website.

What are the unconstitutional laws besides the Patriot act?

gun laws are unconstitutional
tax laws are unconstitutional
what do you think the founding fathers used as a basis for the bill of rights?.....we are granted life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from god.....not from some twit bureacrat on a meglamanical power trip
.....men do not grant us our rights....its gods law.....whatever you perceive as your god......you can worship the easter bunny for all i care......just dont mess with my rights to exist as a free man....its real simple....just dont tread on me because i refuse to be a spineless jelly fish who blindly goes along with everything the govt. says......govt. is not god

[cartman00000001]

Originally posted by kingmob
men do not grant us our rights....its gods law


OK, which God are you talking about? Muslim's god, who tells you to destroy the jews and catholics? Jew's god? Catholics? Protestant's? One of the Roman's gods? That is the worst possible answer. What about people who don't believe in God? Kill them? Give me a break. 200 years ago they had a great vision, but it was based on everyday life of 200 years ago. You can't live like you did in the "good ol' days" That's why you have the Osama's running around, because they want it like it was 800 years ago. Outdated concepts, outdated laws, slow to respond to modern issues. Might be the biggest problem we have. God has no business in our laws, period.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
gun laws are unconstitutional
tax laws are unconstitutional
what do you think the founding fathers used as a basis for the bill of rights?.....we are granted life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from god.....not from some twit bureacrat on a meglamanical power trip
.....men do not grant us our rights....its gods law.....whatever you perceive as your god......you can worship the easter bunny for all i care......just dont mess with my rights to exist as a free man....its real simple....just dont tread on me because i refuse to be a spineless jelly fish who blindly goes along with everything the govt. says......govt. is not god

The constitution was based on enlightenment ideas, and the problems that the articles of confederation had. SUch as not being able to tax people, raise an army, handle war debts, and other improtant things.

Technicaly speaking, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happisness is stated in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a legal document, otherwise rebellions against the government would be legal.

There is an ammendment to the consitution allowing taxes.
So you think *anyone* should be able to own a gun?

Also, the seperation of powers, is intended to prevent tyranny. Look wahts going to happen if Bush is Reelected. Conservatives will control the Senate, House, White HOuse, and extremely conservatives will be nominated to the supreme court.

http://www.bushflash.com/exe/faith.exe

Just read the platform document opf the texas republican party... They want to outlaw all abortion including incest or rape.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
OK, which God are you talking about? Muslim's god, who tells you to destroy the jews and catholics? Jew's god? Catholics? Protestant's? One of the Roman's gods? That is the worst possible answer. What about people who don't believe in God? Kill them? Give me a break. 200 years ago they had a great vision, but it was based on everyday life of 200 years ago. You can't live like you did in the "good ol' days" That's why you have the Osama's running around, because they want it like it was 800 years ago. Outdated concepts, outdated laws, slow to respond to modern issues. Might be the biggest problem we have. God has no business in our laws, period.

Besidies, even there was god giving people rights, why doesnt he intervene in places where people have none?

All of our constitution was based on enlightenment ideas, which is the seperation of church and state, our leaders knew what happened in europe when the state and church are together. Inquisition anyone?

[cartman00000001]

for the first time, I agree with you. Good job

[williethebasset]

hehe:D

I wonder why he hasnt responded.

[kingmob]

well the problem as i see it is 4 generations of dumbing down in the public govt. ran schools.,.....they dont teach the constitution or the bill of rights or even mention god......so let me ask you this ....how are our rights granted? who is the final authority when it comes to personal liberty?

[cartman00000001]

Men are the ONLY authority. The Moses story NEVER happened!

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
well the problem as i see it is 4 generations of dumbing down in the public govt. ran schools.,.....they dont teach the constitution or the bill of rights or even mention god......so let me ask you this ....how are our rights granted? who is the final authority when it comes to personal liberty?

Yeah, I'm learning about the Articles of Confederation, Constituion, and the Bill of Rights, in addition to the federalist papers.

Our rights are granted to us by the people in charge of the government where we live.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Yeah, I'm learning about the Articles of Confederation, Constituion, and the Bill of Rights, in addition to the federalist papers.

Our rights are granted to us by the people in charge of the government where we live.

thats the good sheeple answer.....what happens when the people in charge start bossing you around .......stealing your property......keeping you in complete control or incarceration.....govt. is not god.....they are bureacratic control freaks

[kingmob]

Originally posted by cartman00000001
Men are the ONLY authority. The Moses story NEVER happened!

what happens when the men that are in authority want to enslave you? the powers that be would like to think they grant us our privledges and in many cases they do.....try to build on your property, drive, hunt, fish, open a business, or buy a gun with out permission from your lords....you will be fined or imprisoned......our god given rights of self protection, free speech, right to practice any religion you choose, the right to not be subject to unwarrented searchs and the right to not imcriminate ourselves are rights granted to us by god.....not by some twit with a badge and a gun

this is what makes america America.....its the bill of rights and the constitution.....most everyone has forgotten and where never taught

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
thats the good sheeple answer.....what happens when the people in charge start bossing you around .......stealing your property......keeping you in complete control or incarceration.....govt. is not god.....they are bureacratic control freaks

Clarification: Humans are born with these rights. We have to keep them.

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
.try to build on your property, drive, hunt, fish, open a business, or buy a gun with out permission from your lords..

this is what makes america America.....its the bill of rights and the constitution.....most everyone has forgotten and where never taught

You seem to be angry at the local zoning laws:D .

Look at it this way: (Hypothetically) If you were buying a house that was built by a builder on his land, wouldnt you want to know that it followed the laws regarding construction.

As long as you own the entire lake, or your own land, you can hunt, fish, or do whatever you want on it. There are limits though, such as if you wanted to kill every deer that went onto your land. The deer are no ones property, they go from land to land, so you have to follow the laws. Same with fishing on a river. Something is only yours if it only stays on your property.

Most Americans don't know what the bill of rights are. They confuse the constituion and the declaration of independence.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by williethebasset
Clarification: Humans are born with these rights. We have to keep them.

i agree we are born with them.....but our rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness came from somewhere....dont ya think?

[michaelg123789]

Things that bother me:

$20 bucks to go fishing? That bothers me

18 is magically the age when someone is considered "Mature" to make there own decisions? When I was in HS, I had dozens of friends age 15 with more common sense than most of these 23 yr old punks driving mom and dad's car, pretending it's theirs to look cool.

$1.50 for a bottle of water that may or may not be purified
$2.50 for a loaf of bread
$2.30 for a gallon of gas
$80 to see a Bulls game
$100 to see a lions game
Gansta Rap
Death Metal

Players leaving excellent situations on great teams, to make an extra $2 million a year with an also ran team.

These are few of my rantings. Enjoy

[kingmob]

Originally posted by michaelg123789
Things that bother me:

$20 bucks to go fishing? That bothers me

18 is magically the age when someone is considered "Mature" to make there own decisions? When I was in HS, I had dozens of friends age 15 with more common sense than most of these 23 yr old punks driving mom and dad's car, pretending it's theirs to look cool.

$1.50 for a bottle of water that may or may not be purified
$2.50 for a loaf of bread
$2.30 for a gallon of gas
$80 to see a Bulls game
$100 to see a lions game
Gansta Rap
Death Metal

Players leaving excellent situations on great teams, to make an extra $2 million a year with an also ran team.

These are few of my rantings. Enjoy

lol ....you have to pay to do anything....check out this article
they hate us because of our freedom....how free are we really? (http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/hambidge/hambidge2.html)

[K_Dub420]

i think that article sums up our the current state we are in really well, i'm tired of everyone saying how free we are and people going crazy on someone when they bring to light the fact that we are not free at all, i'm not even free from the government watchin/reading this post if they wanted to. I have a friend who is from south africa, about a month ago he was pulled over heading home from the laundrymat when he was pulled over by a cop, the cop approached the car, looked in the back and seen the laundry detergent that my friend had (it was kept in a plastic bag), the cop then pulled out his gun, ripped my friend out of his car, put him on the ground, cuffed and arrested him and was taken to the police station (while never being told why he was being arrested), my friend tried telling the cop what was in the bag but it seems that all the cop needed to see was his dark (you could say middle eastern looking complexion) and a bag of powder was all this cop need to embarass someone and make them go to court about nothing afterwards. keep in mind that this guy has lived all but 3 years of his life in this contry speaks perfect english but the way government controls things now, none of that even matters. This is the world we live in because of the people running the government, no one is free in this country unless your a billionare or named bush it seems.....

[Deke]

Ahhh no offense, but this is all horseshit. You can leave the country when you want, you can buy what you want, you can have any career you want if you work hard enough for it, you can say shitty things about the president and no one touches you, you can have any religion you want, the list goes on. It makes me SICK when people in this country ***** about what they have. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy better off than 98 percent of the people in this world. You own a car? Guess what, your in the top 1 percent of the world in wealth. People in this country take what they have for granted, when in reality theyre EXACTLY what theyre complaining about. If you dont like the rich Bush types, guess what, your one to the rest of the world. When I hear people whine they way they do, I want to send their *** to live in Mexico, or the Middle East, or Russia. I knew a girl in high school that had the Mexican flag all over her bag, car, you name it. When we were in government class she bitched about this country and talked up Mexico like it was the greatest place ever. I raised my hand, slowly stood up, and said, "Then go back to Mexico if its so great!" WHY ARE YOU HERE!? Its people like that and Michael Moore (who needs to move to France) that really drag this country down. We live in the greatest country in the world, and YES we ARE free. Hows that for freedom of speech? ;)

[Deke]

BTW, people ***** about the government trying to protect us, then they ***** if the government doesnt. Pretty friggin ironic. Its all C R A P.

[Deke]

Hope I didnt come across to edgy, cause I really do value all your guys' opinions. :)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by K_Dub420
i think that article sums up our the current state we are in really well, i'm tired of everyone saying how free we are and people going crazy on someone when they bring to light the fact that we are not free at all, i'm not even free from the government watchin/reading this post if they wanted to. I have a friend who is from south africa, about a month ago he was pulled over heading home from the laundrymat when he was pulled over by a cop, the cop approached the car, looked in the back and seen the laundry detergent that my friend had (it was kept in a plastic bag), the cop then pulled out his gun, ripped my friend out of his car, put him on the ground, cuffed and arrested him and was taken to the police station (while never being told why he was being arrested), my friend tried telling the cop what was in the bag but it seems that all the cop needed to see was his dark (you could say middle eastern looking complexion) and a bag of powder was all this cop need to embarass someone and make them go to court about nothing afterwards. keep in mind that this guy has lived all but 3 years of his life in this contry speaks perfect english but the way government controls things now, none of that even matters. This is the world we live in because of the people running the government, no one is free in this country unless your a billionare or named bush it seems.....

exactly.....we are in a police state.....most people think that as long as they can drink a beer and watch the football game that they are free.....that isnt freedom......we are basicly enslaved but most americans are to ignorant to see it.......

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Ahhh no offense, but this is all horseshit. You can leave the country when you want, you can buy what you want, you can have any career you want if you work hard enough for it, you can say shitty things about the president and no one touches you, you can have any religion you want, the list goes on. It makes me SICK when people in this country ***** about what they have. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy better off than 98 percent of the people in this world. You own a car? Guess what, your in the top 1 percent of the world in wealth. People in this country take what they have for granted, when in reality theyre EXACTLY what theyre complaining about. If you dont like the rich Bush types, guess what, your one to the rest of the world. When I hear people whine they way they do, I want to send their *** to live in Mexico, or the Middle East, or Russia. I knew a girl in high school that had the Mexican flag all over her bag, car, you name it. When we were in government class she bitched about this country and talked up Mexico like it was the greatest place ever. I raised my hand, slowly stood up, and said, "Then go back to Mexico if its so great!" WHY ARE YOU HERE!? Its people like that and Michael Moore (who needs to move to France) that really drag this country down. We live in the greatest country in the world, and YES we ARE free. Hows that for freedom of speech? ;)

i agree with you deke....we should just all shut up take our microchips......learn to properly lick the jackboots of our protectors the cops......we should just wave our little plastic flags made in china by prisoners..........we should just accept that our govt. lies to us.....we should just willingly report to the draft stations to be inducted into the army so we can go kill those evil ragheads......we should take our mercury laced vacines.....drink our aspartame laced diet cokes and learn to love el presidente bush.....thanks for making me see the light deke

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
BTW, people ***** about the government trying to protect us, then they ***** if the government doesnt. Pretty friggin ironic. Its all C R A P.

i can protect myself just fine....i dont need nor want big brother to protect me

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Hope I didnt come across to edgy, cause I really do value all your guys' opinions. :)

did you read that article i posted?

[williethebasset]

Originally posted by kingmob
i agree we are born with them.....but our rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness came from somewhere....dont ya think?

Yes, they naturally occour.

I'm agnostic, so I do think that there is someone looking out for us, thats why tyranny never lasts.

[Deke]

Your so wrong its not even funny. If you dislike it so much, why not move? I dont mean to be blunt, but move to France or something. Its obvious you dont believe in the American way of life. You see things way different than I. To you, Im a sheep. To me, your a sheep following the conspiracy crowd. So whos right? We can certainly agree to disagree here, but attacking America when you LIVE here just doesnt seem logical. Seriously, have you ever thought of moving to Europe or Canada? Or is the whole world a bunch of illuminatti freaks trying to hold you down?

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
i can protect myself just fine....i dont need nor want big brother to protect me

Even you would need protection in the anarchist society it sounds like you want.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
did you read that article i posted?

I did. And whoever wrote it does not have the same defintion of freedom that I do. Ive said this before. There are laws for very VALID reasons. If we didnt have them, wed live in total anarchy. This country, like it or not, used to be much less free. That author is thinking backwards if you ask me. I dunno, guess Im a Nazi now because Im part of the Bush machine. Yeesh.

[Deke]

Living in this country is like renting a home. You follow the owners rules, such as asking him to add on to the house, or tear out a wall. You pay to live there, and he grants you the home you need. If you dont pay, or if you dont follow the simple rules, then he can ask you to leave. However, hes not there every minute to watch your every move. In that house, you have the freedom you want to practice any religion, or listen to the music you want, etc.... And when you want to leave, you can leave. If you dont want the house anymore, then move out. Its the same with this country. Were renting to live in this great country. If you dont like the rules or the rent, get out. Bottom line. There are other homes with other rules and other costs of rent. Catch my drift?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Your so wrong its not even funny. If you dislike it so much, why not move? I dont mean to be blunt, but move to France or something. Its obvious you dont believe in the American way of life. You see things way different than I. To you, Im a sheep. To me, your a sheep following the conspiracy crowd. So whos right? We can certainly agree to disagree here, but attacking America when you LIVE here just doesnt seem logical. Seriously, have you ever thought of moving to Europe or Canada? Or is the whole world a bunch of illuminatti freaks trying to hold you down?

your wrong i'm not attacking america....i'm attacking the govt. that is looting us and getting us involved in a BS war for profit.....your right we dont think the same....you think that if anyone points out the crimes of the govt. that it is unamerican....america isnt our govt......america is the people and the illegal aliens that live here....so it isnt logical to question the govt. and ask for a redress of grievances? sheesh if the founding fathers thought that way then we would still be subjects of the british crown

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Even you would need protection in the anarchist society it sounds like you want.

the word anarchy has been been changed to mean rioting in the street....the true meaning of anarchy is lack of central govt. not rioting and looting.....and yes i am for a serious reduction in the size of govt......govts job is too protect the borders.....pave the roads and have a standing army for the defense of the country....thats it.....now the govt. is busy with there nose in our business and it is fascistic and tyrannical

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
I did. And whoever wrote it does not have the same defintion of freedom that I do. Ive said this before. There are laws for very VALID reasons. If we didnt have them, wed live in total anarchy. This country, like it or not, used to be much less free. That author is thinking backwards if you ask me. I dunno, guess Im a Nazi now because Im part of the Bush machine. Yeesh.

your right lord bush and the neo-cons are nazis......his grandpa helped arm and fund them.....he was busted in 1942 for trading with the enemy...thats a fact

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Living in this country is like renting a home. You follow the owners rules, such as asking him to add on to the house, or tear out a wall. You pay to live there, and he grants you the home you need. If you dont pay, or if you dont follow the simple rules, then he can ask you to leave. However, hes not there every minute to watch your every move. In that house, you have the freedom you want to practice any religion, or listen to the music you want, etc.... And when you want to leave, you can leave. If you dont want the house anymore, then move out. Its the same with this country. Were renting to live in this great country. If you dont like the rules or the rent, get out. Bottom line. There are other homes with other rules and other costs of rent. Catch my drift?

you make a great slave deke...congratulations

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
your wrong i'm not attacking america....i'm attacking the govt. that is looting us and getting us involved in a BS war for profit.....your right we dont think the same....you think that if anyone points out the crimes of the govt. that it is unamerican....america isnt our govt......america is the people and the illegal aliens that live here....so it isnt logical to question the govt. and ask for a redress of grievances? sheesh if the founding fathers thought that way then we would still be subjects of the british crown

The people made their choice. Its obvious what America really wants and thinks. Maybe your right, maybe were all part of one big matrix. If thats the case, then I still prefer the matrix. Give me that other pill ******, lol. Its either America the way it is today, or total anarchy. I cant even imagine a society with no laws. Itd be a hundred times worse than the wild west.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
you make a great slave deke...congratulations

Answer my question. If you dont like being a slave, why not move? Because guess what. By living here, your also a 'slave' according to your beliefs.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
the word anarchy has been been changed to mean rioting in the street....the true meaning of anarchy is lack of central govt. not rioting and looting.....and yes i am for a serious reduction in the size of govt......govts job is too protect the borders.....pave the roads and have a standing army for the defense of the country....thats it.....now the govt. is busy with there nose in our business and it is fascistic and tyrannical

So I take it you consider me a religious fascist now right? Im sure the dems do as they moan and cry in light of their humiliating defeat. Support them or not, and like it or not, your part of that other 48 percent on the wrong side of the majority. Is it unamerican to question the govt? No. Is it unamerican to call them liars, devil worshipers, murderers, and nazis? You **** well bet it is. I can tolerate conspiracies, but this has just gone too far. I really dont understand how someone with your views can tolerate living in this country.

[Deke]

Originally posted by kingmob
your right lord bush and the neo-cons are nazis......his grandpa helped arm and fund them.....he was busted in 1942 for trading with the enemy...thats a fact

Thats a fact in cloud nine conspiracy land. But here in the mainstream us sheep dont buy it.

[Deke]

Even with all this being said Mob, if I start seeing the govt forcing us to take chips in our hands, or forcing us to support what I consider is immoral, ill be standing right beside you in anger against the govt. Believe me on that. I understand your frustration with certain things this country does. I just dont think calling the govt awful things makes your cause gain steam. You know?

[Deke]

One more question for you. How do you know Michael Badnarik and Michael Paroutka are any different from Bush or Kerry? I looked at Badnarik's views and most of them were pretty whacked out.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
The people made their choice. Its obvious what America really wants and thinks. Maybe your right, maybe were all part of one big matrix. If thats the case, then I still prefer the matrix. Give me that other pill ******, lol. Its either America the way it is today, or total anarchy. I cant even imagine a society with no laws. Itd be a hundred times worse than the wild west.

first off there was massive election fraud with the voting machines.......kerry really won......but kerry capitulated to bush.....it was a staged election.......im not saying we should have no law....the problem is there are too many laws and a ton of them are unconstitutional or administrative law ran by bureaucrats........your really doing a disservice to your chldren and future grandchildren by just agreeing with the fraudulent govt.....your future offspring and your family will be enslaved....

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Answer my question. If you dont like being a slave, why not move? Because guess what. By living here, your also a 'slave' according to your beliefs.

your right we are all slaves......when the govt. gets loans from the fed. reserve or the imf and world bank what do you think they put up as collateral? the answer is the people ......im not going anywhere this is my country and i intend to fight for it and my family

[Deke]

Fair enough. Maybe we are not completely free in the sense of total freedom to do whatever we want when we want. But you would agree that we are the most free society in the world right? And would you also agree that we have to have some restrictions to freedom to prevent total chaos? Also, do you think anything the govt does is along with what you believe?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
So I take it you consider me a religious fascist now right? Im sure the dems do as they moan and cry in light of their humiliating defeat. Support them or not, and like it or not, your part of that other 48 percent on the wrong side of the majority. Is it unamerican to question the govt? No. Is it unamerican to call them liars, devil worshipers, murderers, and nazis? You **** well bet it is. I can tolerate conspiracies, but this has just gone too far. I really dont understand how someone with your views can tolerate living in this country.

the conspiracy of the nwo is real.....they have there tentacles into every country....so there is no where to go.....the people that would be our slave masters are very few........if the people rise up and resist them....then they wont win.....the problem is that people wont see what is happening and just deny it......our country has been dumbed down and are too ignorant to see the truth.....our schools are meant to churn out functional illiterates....we have all taken our iq reductions with the mercury in the vacines......theres flouride and garbage in the water......aspartame is in the food chain.....we have been socially engineered by the elites.....the elites believe in social darwinism....the belief that we are just cattle and that they are better than us and need to rule us for our own good......SO QUIT BEING NIEVE!

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Thats a fact in cloud nine conspiracy land. But here in the mainstream us sheep dont buy it.

heres london gaurdian
how bush's grandpa helped hitler's rise to power (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html)

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Even with all this being said Mob, if I start seeing the govt forcing us to take chips in our hands, or forcing us to support what I consider is immoral, ill be standing right beside you in anger against the govt. Believe me on that. I understand your frustration with certain things this country does. I just dont think calling the govt awful things makes your cause gain steam. You know?

look deke the things the govt. is doing are evil.....they arent gonna force us to take chips they will propagandize there use like this for instance
microchip propaganda on CSI (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/business/content/business/epaper/2004/11/01/a3bz_pg3verichip_1101.html)

baja beach club in barcelona is chipping people (http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?articleID=2638&lang=ENG)

see they are making it a fad...and how cool it is

1000 mexicans at the dept. of justice chipped (http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/14/business/chip.html)

or they will say take the chip or find a new job....they are also chipping prisoners and special forces troops

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
One more question for you. How do you know Michael Badnarik and Michael Paroutka are any different from Bush or Kerry? I looked at Badnarik's views and most of them were pretty whacked out.

it really doesnt matter.....the illuminatti masters will put in who they want as prez they are just puppets.......the election is just a facade to make us feel like we have democracy......we have a 2 party dictatorship

[Deke]

So what do you suggest should be done? BTW, Ill never take the chip no matter how much they propagandize it. :) You believe in the Bible's end times? You know, the mark of the beast, etc.

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Fair enough. Maybe we are not completely free in the sense of total freedom to do whatever we want when we want. But you would agree that we are the most free society in the world right? And would you also agree that we have to have some restrictions to freedom to prevent total chaos? Also, do you think anything the govt does is along with what you believe?

yes we do have some freedoms this country when it was founded was something new....we had a free market economy that was the envy of the world...all through history we have seen real tyranny, slavery and feudalism......as ben frankin said "those that give up liberty for security deserve and will receive neither" how can the govt. justify tracking and controlling us making us show our papers to travel when the border is wide open.....the illegals are exempt from the ID restrictions we have

the only chaos is when the cops go in and attack peaceful protests and infringe on our right to peaceably protest

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
So what do you suggest should be done? BTW, Ill never take the chip no matter how much they propagandize it. :) You believe in the Bible's end times? You know, the mark of the beast, etc.

we have to resist them on every level.....and we have to wake up the american people from the pizza, beer, football slumber.....thats what i do.....i talk to people and tell them about the nwo

and if it cant be done peaceably then its time for battle

[Deke]

Is there anything they do that you agree with? Or are you pretty much completely anti govt? Would you rather have no govt at all?

[kingmob]

Originally posted by Deke
Is there anything they do that you agree with? Or are you pretty much completely anti govt? Would you rather have no govt at all?

we have a govt. its called a constitutional republic......its been hijacked and we need to get back what made this country great....we need some govt. but we dont need most of this bloated govt. that is running all aspects of our lives

[williethebasset]

The Consitutional Republic died with the Articles of Confederation.