DId you vote, and who for? [Archive]

boomboom

11-03-2004, 07:54 PM

I voted, I come from a very democrat State in Washington, Well most of washington is republican, but King County where Seattle, Redmond, Kirkland.....is mostly Democratic. and that is where the population is.

I voted for Kerry and wish he had won....I guess we have to wait till 2008 when America will have a better economy.

Hilary CLinton...HERE WE COME!!!!!!

Hash1

11-03-2004, 08:28 PM

Though i dislike kerry and bush but i voted for kerry. Theres just alot more things about bush that disgust me and its really sad that we have to deal with him for another 4 years :( . And yeah you know hilary was partying last night lol. Even though she *claimed* she wanted kerry to win the only way she could run for president in 08 was if bush was re elected

williethebasset

11-03-2004, 08:48 PM

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In other news today, I punched the wall at school when I found out that Bush was elected, leaving knuckle shaped indentations in the wall, as well as blood flowing from a knuckle.

Deke

11-03-2004, 09:55 PM

I voted for the only REAL candidate in this years election, George W. Bush. I think today was a fine statement by America that leftist **** will not be tolerated and that liberals need to rethink what they believe. Come back toward the middle Democrats and youll win another election someday. Bring your party back to the days of FDR and the real Kennedy. The Howard Dean, Michael Moore, and Al Franken philosophy will never fly in this great country. Enough said. God bless the USA for being on their game yesterday.

Deke

11-03-2004, 09:59 PM

P.S. Dont take that as gloating, because I am not a gloater. I really do want to see a more united country, and dont mind moderate Democrats. If the party's leaders come back toward the middle, theyll have an excellent chance to win the next election. And though Ive despised the man for so long, bravo to John Kerry for his speech today. Edwards and other Dems pushed him hard not to concede, but he knew he was beaten and took it like a real man. Very very classy move.

boomboom

11-03-2004, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Deke
P.S. Dont take that as gloating, because I am not a gloater. I really do want to see a more united country, and dont mind moderate Democrats. If the party's leaders come back toward the middle, theyll have an excellent chance to win the next election. And though Ive despised the man for so long, bravo to John Kerry for his speech today. Edwards and other Dems pushed him hard not to concede, but he knew he was beaten and took it like a real man. Very very classy move.

consertitive america needs to come back to the middle, Stop listening to the media on what the democrats need to do. They did everything they could. The economy will not recover, and if you are in search of a job(many of my friends are) you voted for Kerry. America needs to be more Liberal, a Liberal america doesnt have values as there top priority, but domestic issues like the economy. If you have lived in Washington state or Oregon the last 4 years, you would have seen how bad the economy is...YOU LIKE UNEMPLOYED????

I have been very fortuate that i have been employee by the same company for the last 5 years. But when the economy is down, why vote for the root of the problem? Why vote against the womens right to choose, take rights away from a group of people (homosexual) why?

that is what i will ask myself for the next four years.

I can not wait for 08 to get the country back on tract, to get rid of all the bush policies. Why do 80% of forieners(pardon my spelling) in western europe, Asia.... want kerry, maybe because Bush got the world scared, We are a superpower, and we dont need to scare the world, A healther Economy will only help the world, help my friends, and help the company i work for. And in the end help me. That is what the focus should have been on.

Deke

11-03-2004, 10:35 PM

I dont listen to the media my friend. I see whats going on firsthand and have been saying this for months, well before the networks starting talking today. Maybe you need to get out of the liberal Washington bubble you are in and see exactly how the rest of this country feels. 75 percent of this country is against gay marriage for starters. 75 percent! Yet they continue to push the issue without caring how the people feel. That only ONE issue. Im not saying Republicans are perfect, but you have to realize, people still believe in morality in this country and far left politics dont appeal to those people.

Deke

11-03-2004, 10:41 PM

Ill tell you why Europe and others dont think like us. They arent the religious nation we are. They dont have the same values we do as a nation. Like it or not this nation was founded on religious principles and obviously more than half this nation feels strongly about faith. You just dont trample on that. You have to realize, we arent Europe. In this nation you can drive a mile in a city and see 3 or 4 churches. In Europe you see a church and its a museum. Im not saying everyone has to have religion, but I am saying more than half this country has it, and Dems need to learn how to cater to it. If they dont, guess what, we will see more of what happened yesterday. That and no one feels comfortable about our country's defense with a Democrat in office, and that too Ive seen firsthand being a military vet myself. Theres a reason why 4 of 5 military members votes Republicans. The FDR and JFK Democrats were stronger on defense than those of today. The Democratic leaders need to wake up and see they need to abandon the Michael Moore's and start embracing the Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman stances.

Deke

11-03-2004, 10:46 PM

As far as unemployment goes, you do realize the unemployment rate right now is LOWER than when Bill Clinton got re-elected right? That card just doesnt play. 9/11 would have wrecked jobs for ANY president, and Bush has done a fine job of getting things back on track. People see that.

kingmob

11-04-2004, 12:59 AM

kingmob

11-04-2004, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by boomboom
consertitive america needs to come back to the middle, Stop listening to the media on what the democrats need to do. They did everything they could. The economy will not recover, and if you are in search of a job(many of my friends are) you voted for Kerry. America needs to be more Liberal, a Liberal america doesnt have values as there top priority, but domestic issues like the economy. If you have lived in Washington state or Oregon the last 4 years, you would have seen how bad the economy is...YOU LIKE UNEMPLOYED????

I have been very fortuate that i have been employee by the same company for the last 5 years. But when the economy is down, why vote for the root of the problem? Why vote against the womens right to choose, take rights away from a group of people (homosexual) why?

that is what i will ask myself for the next four years.

I can not wait for 08 to get the country back on tract, to get rid of all the bush policies. Why do 80% of forieners(pardon my spelling) in western europe, Asia.... want kerry, maybe because Bush got the world scared, We are a superpower, and we dont need to scare the world, A healther Economy will only help the world, help my friends, and help the company i work for. And in the end help me. That is what the focus should have been on.

aint gonna happen......08 will be arnold v. billary.....the nazi will win.....they will try harder than **** to get rid of the 22nd admendment

kingmob

11-04-2004, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Deke
I dont listen to the media my friend. I see whats going on firsthand and have been saying this for months, well before the networks starting talking today. Maybe you need to get out of the liberal Washington bubble you are in and see exactly how the rest of this country feels. 75 percent of this country is against gay marriage for starters. 75 percent! Yet they continue to push the issue without caring how the people feel. That only ONE issue. Im not saying Republicans are perfect, but you have to realize, people still believe in morality in this country and far left politics dont appeal to those people.

the bastion of conservatism arnold gropenager is for gay weddings....doesnt he have moral values.......dont be fooled deke these people are dopple-gangers......they are occultists and fake christians

kingmob

11-04-2004, 01:08 AM

Craigrrs

11-04-2004, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Deke
As far as unemployment goes, you do realize the unemployment rate right now is LOWER than when Bill Clinton got re-elected right? That card just doesnt play. 9/11 would have wrecked jobs for ANY president, and Bush has done a fine job of getting things back on track. People see that.

The unemployment rate does not count discouraged workers... which is anyone who is unemployed and has just finally given up on looking for work... I garuntee you there are MANY of those people right now... so your claim that the rate is lower maybe true, but it means nothing when it comes to people really being out of work.

Deke

11-04-2004, 02:00 AM

Funny, but I have no problem finding a job, without a degree. I realize Im not in Ohio, Iowa, etc. but I highly doubt those types of workers are any different now than they were during the Clinton years. Dems keep talking about a net job loss under Bush. But blaming those job losses on Bush is ludicrous. Put the best economic president imaginable in Bush's term and wed be in the same spot. 9/11 cost those job losses, not Bush policy. Airlines hacked jobs in the thousands directly as a result of 9/11. Show me HARD proof otherwise. Fact is, theres been a solid gain in jobs for the last 14 months and no one can deny that. Were headed in the right direction.

By the way, welcome to the forums Craig. :)

Deke

11-04-2004, 02:02 AM

Mob, are you a religious guy yourself? Just curious.

Gropenager vs billary, lol, nice names. ;)

kingmob

11-04-2004, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Craigrrs
The unemployment rate does not count discouraged workers... which is anyone who is unemployed and has just finally given up on looking for work... I garuntee you there are MANY of those people right now... so your claim that the rate is lower maybe true, but it means nothing when it comes to people really being out of work.

exactly....once peoples unemployment runs out.....they arent counted anymore.....

kingmob

11-04-2004, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by Deke
Funny, but I have no problem finding a job, without a degree. I realize Im not in Ohio, Iowa, etc. but I highly doubt those types of workers are any different now than they were during the Clinton years. Dems keep talking about a net job loss under Bush. But blaming those job losses on Bush is ludicrous. Put the best economic president imaginable in Bush's term and wed be in the same spot. 9/11 cost those job losses, not Bush policy. Airlines hacked jobs in the thousands directly as a result of 9/11. Show me HARD proof otherwise. Fact is, theres been a solid gain in jobs for the last 14 months and no one can deny that. Were headed in the right direction.

By the way, welcome to the forums Craig. :)

welcome craig.......ok deke come down here to texas and try to get a job doing construction....unless you take siestas and eat burritos fer lunch and live 10 to an apt. with a bunch of other illegals....you aint gonna find a job.....why is our border wide open.....our major export right now is jobs....

kingmob

11-04-2004, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Deke
Mob, are you a religious guy yourself? Just curious.

Gropenager vs billary, lol, nice names. ;)

thanks deke.....im not a street preaching bible thumper but the more i read and do research on the global elite i have become more religous because of the fact that all these elitists are devil worshippers.....i pray and i believe in the lord....i dont go to church because the majority are frauds

boomboom

11-04-2004, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by Deke
As far as unemployment goes, you do realize the unemployment rate right now is LOWER than when Bill Clinton got re-elected right? That card just doesnt play. 9/11 would have wrecked jobs for ANY president, and Bush has done a fine job of getting things back on track. People see that.

Kind of funny, something that happened in New York, hurt Washington and Oregon more than any other state.....it has nothing to do with 9/11, the economy was already going down....

It may be easy to find a job, but try finding a good paying job in seattle....Kind of impossible. I am fortunate to have kept a job during this mess. If you have a job, and want a new one, you are too scared right now to quit and get another job.

I am not in a Washington bubble right now, check out Ohio...Cali, it is nation wide, it just hurt the hardest in the Pacific Northwest.

kingmob

11-04-2004, 04:08 AM

job loss is everywhere.....look at inner cities and cities where all the jobs left town.....there ghost towns......i live in a high tech city with the countries biggest university....so the economy here is decent.....but the illegals are ruining the economy here on the border......austin is a friggin "safe haven" city as is san antonio.....so basicaly if the mexican nationals can get to a safe haven they are home free and then they go buy a social control(security) number at the local flee market and then they go get welfare....yipppeeee and we pay

Deke

11-04-2004, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by boomboom
Kind of funny, something that happened in New York, hurt Washington and Oregon more than any other state.....it has nothing to do with 9/11, the economy was already going down....

It may be easy to find a job, but try finding a good paying job in seattle....Kind of impossible. I am fortunate to have kept a job during this mess. If you have a job, and want a new one, you are too scared right now to quit and get another job.

I am not in a Washington bubble right now, check out Ohio...Cali, it is nation wide, it just hurt the hardest in the Pacific Northwest.

For starters, one of the two biggest airline manufacturers in the world (the other being in England) is based in Washington and the airline industry was hit HARD after 9/11. Second of all, 9/11 affected the WORLD, not just the Northeastern US. If one part of our country, one of the biggest economic producers in the world, takes a huge hit like that, the rest of the country and world suffers as well. Chain reaction affect. Hang in there, jobs are coming around. And Im sure theyll come back in your area as well. If you discount lucky Clinton riding the tech boom wave and look at the past, youll see some of our best economic times were with Republicans in office. Bush was not a typical conservative spending wise in his first term, but will act more like one this second time around. We still cant ignore the numbers even if some areas arent seeing it just yet. 14 months now with steady job increases and the highest home ownership in ages if not history. That has to tell you something about the direction were headed in. I honestly dont see how John Kerry could have done anything differently to add more jobs. If you can tell me what his plan was then please do. Fact is, the man never told anyone his plan, he just kept saying he had one. That doesnt fly with me.

Deke

11-04-2004, 10:49 AM

Lets not forget those illegals are HUGE contributors to our economy. They come and work here, but they also spend here. I read a statistic somewhere that said if we sent all the illegal immigrants packing back to Mexico wed be left with a huge dent in the economy as well as a bunch of jobs NO American wants. I live in Arizona, which has the second highest population of Mexicans (including illegals) in the country, I see them all the time doing jobs I would never touch. Are some of them taking some of the good construction jobs away in Texas? Maybe so, but here I see 18 year old kids getting good construction jobs. There doesnt seem to be any problem for a US citizen to do so. In fact, those illegals are usually only hired here because they absolutely need a filler for a certain spot no American citizen has applied for.

K_Dub420

11-04-2004, 10:50 AM

the employment rate has been increasing and like someone else said once your benefits run out you are no longer counted as being unemployed. IMHO the biggest problem with jobs right now is the great number of people who are under-employed (working jobs they are way over-qualified for because of the need to find work). Alot of my friends have graduated college recentley (myself soon) and even with their degrees are having alot of trouble finding jobs in their fields. A few have resorted to working full-time at best buy, wal-mart and home depot in hopes that they will be able to find a new job in their field eventually. some are still out trying to find a job period....

Deke

11-04-2004, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by kingmob
thanks deke.....im not a street preaching bible thumper but the more i read and do research on the global elite i have become more religous because of the fact that all these elitists are devil worshippers.....i pray and i believe in the lord....i dont go to church because the majority are frauds

Thats cool, I know a lot of people that dont trust organized religion either but believe in the Bible and what it says. Im not a guy that thinks you have to attend church to be a true believer. I just think its obviously encouraged.

Deke

11-04-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by K_Dub420
the employment rate has been increasing and like someone else said once your benefits run out you are no longer counted as being unemployed. IMHO the biggest problem with jobs right now is the great number of people who are under-employed (working jobs they are way over-qualified for because of the need to find work). Alot of my friends have graduated college recentley (myself soon) and even with their degrees are having alot of trouble finding jobs in their fields. A few have resorted to working full-time at best buy, wal-mart and home depot in hopes that they will be able to find a new job in their field eventually. some are still out trying to find a job period....

Now THAT is most definetly true. Bush will have to address that in his second term. Lets face it, the tech era has crashed, and not because of Bush. That era was crazy and bound to crash hard. I still dont think any of this is because of Bush and rather part of history. The American economy generally rides in waves. How would John Kerry have improved that? No one has ever been able to tell me what he would have done differently. Im sorry, but getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich only hurts small business making it even harder to find jobs. Thats no plan. He never had a plan, and thats why he lost.

williethebasset

11-04-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Deke
Im sorry, but getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich only hurts small business making it even harder to find jobs. Thats no plan. He never had a plan, and thats why he lost.

Most owners of small businesses pay less taxes because of loopholes, or they dont pay them at all and are not in the top 1%.

kingmob

11-04-2004, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Deke
Lets not forget those illegals are HUGE contributors to our economy. They come and work here, but they also spend here. I read a statistic somewhere that said if we sent all the illegal immigrants packing back to Mexico wed be left with a huge dent in the economy as well as a bunch of jobs NO American wants. I live in Arizona, which has the second highest population of Mexicans (including illegals) in the country, I see them all the time doing jobs I would never touch. Are some of them taking some of the good construction jobs away in Texas? Maybe so, but here I see 18 year old kids getting good construction jobs. There doesnt seem to be any problem for a US citizen to do so. In fact, those illegals are usually only hired here because they absolutely need a filler for a certain spot no American citizen has applied for.

thats a bunch of Bs.....im glad prop 200 in arizona passed....now illegals cant vote themselves welfare.....been to LA lately?....the mexicans took over LA

Deke

11-05-2004, 12:35 AM

FYI, I voted for prop 200. Go ahead, kick those illegals out of Arizona and Texas. Every last one them. Doesnt that sound familiar? Now whos thinking like a Nazi? Like it or not, they ARE a big part of our economy.

Deke

11-05-2004, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by williethebasset
Most owners of small businesses pay less taxes because of loopholes, or they dont pay them at all and are not in the top 1%.

Ehhhh no. Do a little more research on that Willie.

kingmob

11-05-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Deke
FYI, I voted for prop 200. Go ahead, kick those illegals out of Arizona and Texas. Every last one them. Doesnt that sound familiar? Now whos thinking like a Nazi? Like it or not, they ARE a big part of our economy.

im not against immigration.....i am against illegal immigration....by definition it is illegal....where do you think all the drugs are coming from? we cant assimilate millions and millions of people....it is killing our infrastructure

kingmob

11-05-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Deke
Ehhhh no. Do a little more research on that Willie.

small businesses are being raped with taxes and red tape....the huge corporations get tons of corporate welfare.....the big boys pay no taxes.....

Deke

11-05-2004, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by kingmob
im not against immigration.....i am against illegal immigration....by definition it is illegal....where do you think all the drugs are coming from? we cant assimilate millions and millions of people....it is killing our infrastructure

I agree. Its happening in my backyard. Im not for illegal immigration, Im just against hunting down every illegal and booting their *** out. We HAVE to cut it off though, and get those borders secured. Hard thing to do though, being as though there are hundreds and hundres of miles along the Arizona border alone. I really cant blame someone for wanting a better life, and thats what 90 percent of those illegals want. However the other 10 percent is crooked thugs looking to do us harm. And that means we have to cut off all illegal immigration.

boomboom

11-05-2004, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Deke
I agree. Its happening in my backyard. Im not for illegal immigration, Im just against hunting down every illegal and booting their *** out. We HAVE to cut it off though, and get those borders secured. Hard thing to do though, being as though there are hundreds and hundres of miles along the Arizona border alone. I really cant blame someone for wanting a better life, and thats what 90 percent of those illegals want. However the other 10 percent is crooked thugs looking to do us harm. And that means we have to cut off all illegal immigration.

if the illegals pay taxes, and are good "citizens" i think we should make them legal residents. Those are for the illegals that are here now, I do think that we need to do a better job at locking down the boarder and keep the new illegals from coming in. My view is because I work with a lot of hard working( which I believe are) illegals, they have worked with me for 5-6 years and they are good citizens....but there are always the 1-10% that are crooked.....which is why need to stop it at the boarder.... Maybe a wall like in Berlin...just kidding about that, but something does need to be done.

williethebasset

11-05-2004, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Deke
Ehhhh no. Do a little more research on that Willie.

Well, I know several people that run their own businesses, and they don't make anything close to even $200,000 a year. The "small business" owners you refer to, are the owners of factories and logging companies. It also depends on your definition of a small business.