Career ending permanent damage

[danzigman]

Has anyone had this happen to them? Jim Edmonds dropped about 20 points with this injury and is now next to worthless.

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by danzigman
Has anyone had this happen to them? Jim Edmonds dropped about 20 points with this injury and is now next to worthless. Just had it happen in a test league. This should happen from time to time. It is realistic. Sometimes guys never come back from an injury.

[danzigman]

I just had it happen again this time with Brad Lidge. This is getting out of control!

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by danzigman
This is getting out of control! Yes. God forbid that two players would suffer career-limiting injuries!!!!







:rolleyes:

[dolfanar]

I had it happen to two pitchers within one week. 250+ day injuries... 8.12

[danzigman]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Yes. God forbid that two players would suffer career-limiting injuries!!!!







:rolleyes: Yes it is when it happens with in one month on the same season. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by danzigman
Yes it is when it happens with in one month on the same season. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Ah yes. I suppose that has never happened in MLB History.

[danzigman]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Ah yes. I suppose that has never happened in MLB History. Find me two injuries that ended player’s careers on the same team in one month’s time. It is not a common occurrence.

[SFSteveG]

Now who sounds like a fanboy *cough*SkyDog*cough*

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by SFSteveG
Now who sounds like a someone sick of people whining about injuries, because there are likely *fewer* than in real life, *cough*SkyDog*cough* Fixed that for you. :p

[TwinswillWin]

I like that guys can bounce back from big injuries but take big hits on their ratings. Remember the movie The Rookie he came back from the shoulder surgey.



*(I know The Rookie isn't that old)

[MizzouRah]

Not Jimmy!

:(

Todd

[Razor Shines]

Actually, this is more like movie "Rookie of the Year", with the 13 year old kid who plays for the Cubs and throws 150 MPH gets hurt, and can only throw underhand after that.

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by danzigman
Find me two injuries that ended player’s careers on the same team in one month’s time. Steve Olin and Bobby Ojeda close enough?

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
Steve Olin and Bobby Ojeda close enough? Ouch. Forgot about them. :(

[danzigman]

Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
Steve Olin and Bobby Ojeda close enough? Please explain how these fit this situation. That nobody Olin never played on the same team with Ojeda.

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by danzigman
Please explain how these fit this situation. That nobody Olin never played on the same team with Ojeda. Uh, he would have.

Ojeda: December 8, 1992: Signed as a Free Agent with the Cleveland Indians.

Actually, by the way, really three. Left off Crews. :(

[danzigman]

Olin never pitched an inning of the 1993 season where Oleda pitched in 93 then signed with the Yankees in 94. But hey if you search high and low and include nobodies I am sure you can turn up more. Point being that it is a rarity unlike in Mogul. Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the newest test patch.

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by danzigman
Olin never pitched an inning of the 1993 season That's because his injury happened during spring training and it's kinda hard to pitch when you're dead. He was on the same team as Ojeda at the time, as per your requirement.
Oleda pitched in 93 then signed with the Yankees in 94.Ojeda pitched 9 games in '93 and two in '94. Sure sounds to me like that injury ended his career.
But hey if you search high and low and include nobodies I am sure you can turn up more.What, it only counts if the player was a "star"?
Point being that it is a rarity unlike in Mogul. Seeing it once in BBM means it's not rare? :confused:

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Actually, by the way, really three. Left off Crews. :( Yeah, but dan said they had to be on the same team. Ojeda wasn't on the Dodgers at the time. ;)

[SkyDog]

No, Crews was with the Indians, too.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/crewsti01.shtml

January 22, 1993: Signed as a Free Agent with the Cleveland Indians.

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by SkyDog
No, Crews was with the Indians, too.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/crewsti01.shtml

January 22, 1993: Signed as a Free Agent with the Cleveland Indians. Ah, OK. Didn't scroll down to see that. I should have looked around more.

A Boating Mishap Takes the Lives of Two Cleveland Pitchers (http://www.rbbi.com/folders/acc/baseball/people.htm), and a third has his career effectively ended.

[danzigman]

Oh so these guys were in a boating injury. Then that is an entirely different story. These injuries weren't baseball related they were caused by an accident. I sure you can find a sting of car crashes and things like this if you look.

[danzigman]

It has happened more than once in mogul, everyone knows it was a problem with this update.

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by danzigman
Oh so these guys were in a boating injury.You didn't know that? You've *got* to be kidding me.

[SkyDog]

Originally posted by SkyDog
You didn't know that? You've *got* to be kidding me. On second thought, it shouldn't surprise me at all....

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by danzigman
Oh so these guys were in a boating injury. Then that is an entirely different story. These injuries weren't baseball related they were caused by an accident. BBM isn't capable of simulating off-field injuries so if it happened on field or off isn't relevant. You asked for two players with career ending injuries within a month from the same team and you got three on the same day.
I sure you can find a sting of car crashes and things like this if you look.Mind if we loop some wire around you? You're spinning so much that you're bound to generate an electric charge!
It has happened more than once in mogulOkay, twice. Still doesn't mean it isn't rare.
everyone knows it was a problem with this update.Everyone who?

[SFSteveG]

Ok, I'm listening to the Misfits right now and danzigman's name just dawned on me.

[rshackelford]

Theres an injury slider in the league options menu to help this sort of problem.

[danzigman]

Originally posted by SkyDog
On second thought, it shouldn't surprise me at all.... Mr. know it all huh. No I didn't know that. That was back when I was in high school, I was lucky to keep track of what the cardinals where doing much less the Indians. Baseball wasn't a very big priority to me back then.

[danzigman]

Originally posted by rshackelford
Theres an injury slider in the league options menu to help this sort of problem. That and it is supposed to be corrected in the new update, these two just like to argue. I am sure you know the type there is always a few know it alls on every forum.

[danzigman]

Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
BBM isn't capable of simulating off-field injuries so if it happened on field or off isn't relevant. Of coarse it is relevant like you said "BBM isn't capable of simulating off-field injuries." So a boating accident has nothing to do with BBM. I am done messing with you know it alls. Hopefully this new patch corrected the problem. In the mean I hope you enjoy your delusion of knowing everything. My rants on these topic is finished now.

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by danzigman
Of coarse it is relevant like you said "BBM isn't capable of simulating off-field injuries." So a boating accident has nothing to do with BBM.An injury is an injury is an injury. Stop weaselling.

Come to think of it, BBM isn't really capable of simulating in-game injuries, either. By that I mean you won't see an injury when watching a game.

[amdaily]

Your a victim of simple probability. There is no bug here. Deal with it an move on already.

[BigBubba]

I have had a "carreer ending" injury before and all that happend was they missed the time and never slowed down when they came back. and with some of the patches I have had them get a 250 day injury and come back 2 weeks later when they sprain their ankle or wrist.

[SFSteveG]

Originally posted by danzigman
That and it is supposed to be corrected in the new update, these two just like to argue. I am sure you know the type there is always a few know it alls on every forum.

Some people argue because they know their stuff and and don't like bad info floating around. I see it more as correcting and explaining than arguing.

[Jeff Olsen]

Originally posted by BigBubba
I have had a "carreer ending" injury before and all that happend was they missed the time and never slowed down when they came back. Quite right. In BBM, there's no way to know if an injury is career ending or not until you see the player's ratings when he comes back.

I've only seen one "career ending" injury in 2K6 so far. When the guy came back, all his ratings were fine - except health.

[SFSteveG]

Originally posted by Jeff Olsen
Quite right. In BBM, there's no way to know if an injury is career ending or not until you see the player's ratings when he comes back.

I've only seen one "career ending" injury in 2K6 so far. When the guy came back, all his ratings were fine - except health.

Same here. I did have a pitcher have a torn rotator cuff and be out for 351 days. Luckily it was at the end of a season so he just missed a whole season. He had an 18-7 4.07 season, then missed a whole year due to injury, then a 14-7 3.42 season. Sounded like a career ender but i just waited it out and here he is on his way to become a very respectable pitcher.

[boomboom]

Originally posted by danzigman
Mr. know it all huh. No I didn't know that. That was back when I was in high school, I was lucky to keep track of what the cardinals where doing much less the Indians. Baseball wasn't a very big priority to me back then.

i was like 10 when this happened...this was all over the news...even people who didnt know about baseball knew about this accident....

I still remember watching ESPN, and seeing the Indians players breaking down and crying like there was no tomorrow...that really hit me, as with other people.

[boomboom]

Originally posted by SFSteveG
Some people argue because they know their stuff and and don't like bad info floating around. I see it more as correcting and explaining than arguing.

and some people take it as arguing...when they dont know what they are talking about....

[Bgsexy66]

Well I started a season with the Atlanta Braves yesterday and I had John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, and Tim Hudson all have career ending injuries in the 2007 year. The weird thing is that they were injured within a two week period I didn't wait for them to return to see how they would perform because they all dropped into 60's ratings. I was so bummed out, but thats the way the cookie crumbles.

[robinhoodnik]

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Oh so these guys were in a boating injury. Then that is an entirely different story. These injuries weren't baseball related they were caused by an accident. I sure you can find a sting of car crashes and things like this if you look.


How about these? not much looking for me.
Roy Campanella Car Crash, HOF catcher, career ended. Mike " King " Kelly "excessive lifestyle" HOF catcher, dead age 36, career ended.Roberto Clemente plane crash, HOF right fielder, career ended. and not to remain too morbid, how about Eckersley (alcohol)Gooden (cocaine) Strawberry(cocaine)Steve Howe (cocaine) as players who really screwed up thier potential granted Eck made the hall but he had huge amounts of potential to go anyways as a starter.

[zhongv1979]

About career ending injury, I got a horrible story. My Varitek went down in my playoff run, out 249 days with a torn knee ligament. Newspaper said he would never be the same afterwards. After the world series I decided to sign a FA catcher for a year to bridge the gap between Varitek and Jeff Bailey, my best catching prospect. I went out and signed Jorge Posada for a one-year, 3M deal. Posada became my starting catcher and within one week into the brand new season, I was informed Posada was out, the same 249 days, with the same torn knee ligament injury Varitek had ... geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[robinhoodnik]

Injuries seem to be out of control no matter what you spend. Especially harsh on pitchers though.

[boomboom]

i lost my internet access, so now i am playing the CD version a lot more.... (there is a sewer being installed and they accidently cut my phone line so no DSL) errr...got it back...but the day and a half i didnt, I played a few games of 2k6.

The injuries are way out of wack in this game....it wasnt ever this bad in beta....even if i have it on minus 70, still have a lot of injuries....Thou I do like the idea of career ending injuries, but not 5-6 a year.

If this code gets put into the BMO code. I will probably have to quit BMO....this would totally change the landscape of BMO......and probably a lot of people will quit...

[SkyDog]

Somehow, there is a vast difference in what people are experiencing. I went through an entire season with the injury slider at the default, and only had 37 injuries in my entire organization--only six of which were longer than 2 weeks. That's *FAR* too low. Going to run a test with 8.16 right now...

[SFSteveG]

I have the injury slider an -40 and even the worst teams in the league suffer only 8-10 injuries a year in their whole system. Only 2 or 3 of them are more than a month too.

Ocasionally there is a career ending injury (especially to my older starters) but they are relatively rare and are often just injuries that lower their health dramatically.

[robinhoodnik]

I think that it was introduced in a patch. I really do not remember it being so prevalent when I first got the download version. Maybe I'll throw the CD I burnt of the original download on my other hard drive and see how it runs.

[boomboom]

i actually think that the Beta version runs faster, and the injuires are better, I still have the download copy.

[robinhoodnik]

Oh and if danzigman still thinks career enders don't really happen how 'bout this?