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"God's plan", no matter what way you want to look at it, implies that it was God's plan for Trayvon Martin to die that night. I know he's not saying "God told me to kill Trayvon Martin", which would imply that he's crazy, but saying it was God's plan is still screwed up. Like Trayvon's father said, Zimmerman must worship a different god because his god wouldn't have wanted Trayvon to be killed.
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It's just a way for someone to absolve themselves of any responsibility of his or her actions.
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What, does the Devil not make plans? I mean, if one of the two supernatural forces was driving Zimmermann to his obsessive behavior, my money is not on the do-unto-others guy.
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wut?!?!Originally Posted by HoustonGM
there are many that believe, and state things like, "I guess it was his time". "God has different plans for him". Regardless of your beliefs, there are many who frequently state and believe things like that. I've heard Trayvon's family speak of God many times and I'm quite sure they know what Zimmerman is trying to say.
heck do you know how many 9/11 sermons I went to where people tried to rationalize the thousands of deaths with, "i know it's hard to believe and understand but this is a part of God's greater plan". Things along those lines.
just another example of people trying to make something into an issue where there isn't one.
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right, like absolving themselves from responsibility for going to work on 9/11.
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I think it sounds a whole heck of a lot different when the person saying "It was God's plan" actually did the killing.
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i understand what you're saying. his position though is that it was self-defense. if he was attacked by a bear and killed the bear defending himself and said it was god's plan, would it seem different to you?
again, maybe not the best choice of words but I think people know what he's trying to say.
if it truly was not self-defense, and he himself knows it...than I'd agree it's sick and he's trying to absolve himself of responsibility.
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I hope you're not equating the Trayvon Martin situation to the killing of a bear...
Yes, of course it would seem different if he was talking about killing an animal that attacked him. What kind of question is that?
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wait a second now. if it is ok for him to use "it was gods plan" while defending his life in one situation than there is no difference in using it while defending himself in another situation. do I believe he was acting in self-defense....I don't know. Haven't made up my mind on that one. But saying, "it was gods plan" in the manner he did, if he in fact believes he was acting in self-defense, is not uncommon at all. He's alleging that he felt that he was defending his life as he was being attacked. It doesn't matter if thats against a human, or a bear, or a terrorist, etc. If you're OK with his statement for one of those, than it fits all the others.
this really isn't a discussion. you know what he's saying. stop making something out of it that isn't there and stop trolling. there's no reason i should have to be a voice of reason on something this obvious. i'm done with it, take your last word.
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I actually have never heard anybody say "It was God's plan" regarding them killing another human being in self-defense. But yes, I do see a pretty big difference, just in tone, in saying that in regards to human life vs. animal life. Then again, I mostly have a problem with the whole "It was God's plan" thing regardless, since it's so damn meaningless and riddled with contradictions.
Again, regardless of his motivations for saying it, it's stating that it was God's plan for Trayvon Martin to die that night. Many Christians have a problem with him invoking their God as planning for the death of a teenager (see the ThinkProgress comment section, Trayvon's father, etc.), so I'm not so sure why it's such a big deal that an agnostic takes issue with it.
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"“I do wish there was something, anything I could have done that would have put me in the position where I didn’t have to take his life. And I do want to tell everyone…that I’m sorry that this happened.”"
Here's an idea: you could have stayed in your vehicle as you were instructed to by the 911 operator.
The entire thing sounds like a half-hearted, fake apology and attempt to excuse his actions, up to and including the "God's plan" crap.
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i can't stay away lol...i'll feed. all i can say is that christians can be hypocrites too.I actually have never heard anybody say "It was God's plan" regarding them killing another human being in self-defense. But yes, I do see a pretty big difference, just in tone, in saying that in regards to human life vs. animal life. Then again, I mostly have a problem with the whole "It was God's plan" thing regardless, since it's so damn meaningless and riddled with contradictions.
Again, regardless of his motivations for saying it, it's stating that it was God's plan for Trayvon Martin to die that night. Many Christians have a problem with him invoking their God as planning for the death of a teenager (see the ThinkProgress comment section, Trayvon's father, etc.), so I'm not so sure why it's such a big deal that an agnostic takes issue with it.
---------------------this i agree with. He could've stayed in bed that day also, or committed suicide as a teenager, or went on a luxurious vacation, or a zillion other things that may not have been illegal either. Getting out of your vehicle is not a crime, even when the 911 operator says "we don't need you to do that" (he wasn't instructed not to, but lets just make sh!t up because it's cool). Depending upon the events that took place after he left his vehicle, it's very possible Zimmerman was a victim. Yes, it's also possible he was a murderer.
"“I do wish there was something, anything I could have done that would have put me in the position where I didn’t have to take his life. And I do want to tell everyone…that I’m sorry that this happened.”"
Here's an idea: you could have stayed in your vehicle as you were instructed to by the 911 operator.
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To say that there was nothing he could have done to prevent the death of Trayvon Martin is wrong, plain and sample. It's one of the most BS "apologies" I've ever read.
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Yes actually. Everything must have a reason for us. We are built to try and find out the reasons for things that happen. Some people can't understand (or rather refuse to believe) that bad things happen to good people and vice versa, so they explain it away with the "god's will" stuff.right, like absolving themselves from responsibility for going to work on 9/11.
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Whats the big deal. God once told George W. Bush to invade Iraq. Maybe him and Zimmerman have the same god...
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I think, generally, appealing to fate (God-driven or otherwise) when talking about someone's suffering or loss is extremely callous, and people really need to stop going to that place.
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